Thursday, November 08, 2007

Separate Church and State? I guess it Depends

So Pat Robertson has endorsed Rudy. What the hell do you make of that?

How’s this going to go over with the moderate Republicans and Independents?

On the same day that one of the Christian Right Evangelicals endorsed a presidential candidate, we heard that Senator Grassley is looking into the big evangelical ministries to see how they are spending their donations. These ministries are crying foul and saying there should be a separation of church and state. The government shouldn’t be nosing into their church finances.

Of course these same people want to have as much religious influence in our government as they can possibly get.


Blogger Larry said...

It looks to me like Robertson is clinging to the illusion that he and the "religious right" are still relevant in politics today, even though it was with their help that the most delusional misfit in history has taken this country into a coming economic depression, and a war of the worlds that we cannot win.

November 08, 2007 2:51 AM  
Blogger Frederick said...

Power first, principals later. Thanks for letting us know how it works, Pat.

November 08, 2007 3:39 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

People are beginning to realize that "christofascists" are insane and their purported values are not the values that should be leading America.
All that the Dems need to do is drag some of the statements that Robertson has made and hang them around Rudy's neck and people will see him for what he is. He should be embarrasses that he has the endorsement of the whacko right.

November 08, 2007 3:45 AM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

I feel like Alice and I have fallen down into the hole and whoa baby, what a ride!

First of all, we have all of Rudy's stunning, how do I put this - reversals just doesn't seem to cut it... Hmmm, how about this, Rudy's complete bullshit disdain for his former long held (and I do not defend him!) positions on pro-choice, gay marriage, gun control and so forth.

Now this. Mind blowing. On Olberman last night, someone linked the idea that if Rudy is "THE 9/11" candidate and yet Robertson said that "gays and abortion" caused 9/11, how does that square?

And not only is Rudy with the divorces and the scandals etc (of which I could care less about- it is the hypocrisy) but for God's sake he is (like me) a Catholic.

Oh, for the days when the wingnuts for Christ crowd thought that all of RC's were little more than neo-pagan idol worshippers.

NONE of this makes sense.

Other than what may be the wingnut Christian splintering as the wackos all scatter to their various candidates.

November 08, 2007 4:14 AM  
Blogger Distributorcap said...

not only do those evangelicals want us to stay out of their books -- but they also want the govt largesse

my verification word


no kidding

November 08, 2007 5:33 AM  
Blogger WeezieLou said...

when rudy gave up his long-loved NY Yankees to go for the red sox (trolling for votes), i realized that he was just the kind of soulless, hollow person that pat robertson would love to endorse.

November 08, 2007 5:45 AM  
Blogger ZILLA said...

dycksht says it all.

Word verification is infallible. Word verification is my god.
Word verification will be my write-in vote.

November 08, 2007 5:50 AM  
Blogger Comandante Agí said...

This is surprising. A large chunk of Pat's followers would deem Giuliani a Mary-worshipper who follows the anti-Christ (the Pope). Extreme fundies of the Robertson stripe aren't that fond of Catholics.

Perhaps Robertson misunderstood this latest message from god. Or Falwell is sending his mixed messages from the grave.

This just shows that the conservatives are worried about a splintering before the general election - they don't want a 3rd party Christian movement to emerge and split the right-wing vote.

November 08, 2007 5:54 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

The only thing they know is 'do as I say, not as I do.'

Teh Gay Agenda will destroy America, but when it seems half the GOP is trolling around in airport bathrooms and scouring the lands for little boys, it's a private, family matter.

November 08, 2007 6:08 AM  
Blogger pogo2 said...

Hi, pop. Good to be back if only for a bit.

Hope you and the hubby are doing well.

Gail Collins has a great piece on the Rudi-Pat suckfest at NYT this morning. I think you'll like it.

All is well here. I'll try to drop in more often, but truth be known, I hate blogger.

November 08, 2007 6:48 AM  
Blogger dguzman said...

Why isn't the media all over this? Why aren't they putting all of Robertson's famous idiot-quotations under Rudy's face on the TV? Oh yeah--because they're trying to be "fair and balanced."

November 08, 2007 7:46 AM  
Blogger T&A said...

Tax all churches!

November 08, 2007 9:17 AM  
Blogger Sherry said...

and yet people still send both these hypocrites money. go figure!

me, yeah, tax them all if they dare mention politics .

whatever happend to that "render to..." stuff?

November 08, 2007 9:50 AM  
Blogger fashiongirl said...

I just don't understand how Pat Robertson could look a Rudolph Guliani and find love. Talk about strange bedfellows...

November 08, 2007 12:32 PM  
Blogger Chancelucky said...

They're both basically opportunists. I'm not surprised at all.

November 08, 2007 1:30 PM  
Blogger D.K. Raed said...

It shows me the evangie crowd is hunting for a candidate they think can win. If they think Rudy can win, so they will pinch their collective nostrils & overlook everything else. All Rudy has to do is promise them he'll appoint judges they like. Oh & throw in a few jeeeezuses & stand in front of a podium with a wooden cross on it & a halo seal surrounding his head. Works every time.

November 08, 2007 1:44 PM  
Anonymous pekka said...

If I am right, Pat Robertson has an ambition to become the spiritual leader for the mightiest man on earth, the president of the U.S.A.. Maybe he is dreaming about achieving the status that was once held by Billy Graham. He probably figured that betting on the Italian stallion might take him there. This, for Pat, could be his crowning achievement...his legacy thing.

November 08, 2007 4:22 PM  
Blogger Newsguy said...

Robertson's endorsement demonstrates just how much in disarray the Republicans really are.

Rudy G has been divorced and married how many times? His children hate him. He's from the evil New York City, home of the Devil and all kinds of PRE-verts, like HOMO-sexuals and such like and Rudy dresses up like a lady. He's a cross dresser and I posted a pic a few weeks ago of him in full drag. Think the wacko "Christians" are really going to go for a candidate like that, even with Robertson's endorsement? I don't think so.

The Republicans just don't know which way to turn. Robertson's endorsement is just a blip that will soon be forgotten. And Rudy will not benefit from the screwball Jesus vote.

November 08, 2007 4:39 PM  
Blogger Targa said...

Here's how I know that Pat Robertson KNOWS he is increasingly becoming irrelevant.

1. Nobody from the Republican party accepted his offer of support... except R.G.
2. Robertson isn't making the punditry rounds as much as he used to.
3. His TV show has minimalized God in order that Pat give time to "Dr. Phil" styled relationship analysis.

Yup. Pat Robertson is irrelevant... and so to will be Rudy Giuliani.

I'm convinced that the only reason Rudy is running is so that he can mention it in his autobiography.

[steps off soap box]

Thank you. And now back to Keith Olbermann.

November 08, 2007 5:13 PM  
Blogger Dr. Monkey Von Monkerstein said...

Wow, you hit the nail on the head woman. Thanks for putting it into such great perspective.

November 08, 2007 10:52 PM  
Blogger Grant Miller said...

That's funny. All the moderate Republicans I know are Democrats.

November 09, 2007 5:56 AM  
Blogger Jim said...

Just one more reason to begin taxing ministries, like the businesses that they are.

Why we allow these Elmer Gantrys legal tax shelter status is beyond me. Think of how much money the government could raise for military/industrial complex by doing this?

November 10, 2007 9:17 PM  
Blogger Snave said...

I agree with T&A... I like the quote attributed to George Carlin: "If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else."

Another one attributed to George:

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death."

I also hope there are some people smart enough to saddle Rudy with Robertson's endorsement, making it a political albatross for him.

What also needs to be done is for some of Norman Podhoretz' comments and ideas to be made public in a big way and attached to Rudy at the hip, because Podhoretz is one of Rudy's top advisors... and he is one of the more vocal people re. how "we need to bomb Iran". He says "Well, if we were to bomb the Iranians as I hope and pray we will..."

November 15, 2007 10:36 AM  

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