A Problem or a Plan?
Do you think bush is worried about what Musharraf has done in Pakistan, or is he taking notes to use about a year from now?
I’m trying to figure out what if anything the US can do to stop Musharraf, or are they secretly supporting his actions.
There’s something so eerie about this. I’m not into tin foil hats but just the fact that I’m thinking this way frightens me.
According to what I heard on the Sunday morning talk shows, if Musharraf doesn’t end this quickly, this could be a deadly serious situation. If Pakistan’s radicals get their hands on the nuclear devices in that country all hell could become real.
I’m trying to figure out what if anything the US can do to stop Musharraf, or are they secretly supporting his actions.
There’s something so eerie about this. I’m not into tin foil hats but just the fact that I’m thinking this way frightens me.
According to what I heard on the Sunday morning talk shows, if Musharraf doesn’t end this quickly, this could be a deadly serious situation. If Pakistan’s radicals get their hands on the nuclear devices in that country all hell could become real.
posted by pissed off patricia at 2:18 AM
30 Comments:
PoP- How about this... Both.
I felt ill when I first heard this and continue to do so. And the responses I hear from our Condiliesalot (thank you Jolly Roger from Reconstitution for that name!)are not at all what I would expect.
I don't like to think of myself as too tin-foil-hatty myself, but I think I am getting more that way.
Which is, in and of itself, enough to frighten me.
Due to some other things going on- I did not get to see the Sunday shows yesterday or even really read about them. Just reading your words is upsetting.
Knowing what little I do about the situation in Pakistan, I was worried from the get-go.
Things in that country are very unstable at best. No matter what seemingly positive actions Musharraf has put forth over the years, he has the heart of a despot in my mind.
And how curious indeed, now that Benazir Bhutto is on the political scene, that this happens.
Anyway, it is scary.
And as for Bush. Oh yes, I think he is watching indeed. And it sickens me to say so.
Sickens me a lot.
I think I am semi-regretting rereading "On The Beach" recently. I just don't feel good about the fate of our world.
For all we know Bush is behind this, as a prelude to his plans for Martial Law in the U.S.
What is more scary? The U.S. having nuclear weapons and a leader with a very itchy trigger finger just hoping to declare WWIII
before he leaves office?
Pop. you should read Naomi Wolf's piece over at Firedoglake. I didn't bring my tin foil with me this time but am seriously thinking about stopping by a Publix on the way to the hotel tonight.
there is no doubt that Bush and Cheney are secretly happy about this -- forgetting the tin foil for a second (since i make no bones about the fact i am not convinced bush isnt leaving on 1/20/09 willingly)
the fact is Bushco is happy that Musharraf is "squashing" Al Qaeda -- which of course it aint
this is a potentially devasting situation ---- it will make Iraq look like a playground brawl.
also think of the friggin hypocrisy -- we will 'say' we want democracy restored but really Bushco doesnt. and they are NOT CUTTING OFF MILITARY AID -- just 'postponing' some meetings ---
i am sure the wingnuts like those old hags Kate O'Beirne and Lucianne Goldberg are happy Musharraf is taking charge and getting rid of 'extremists'
global warming? we'll never get there at this rate
The Fundies who pull Bush's strings are probably ecstatic over these developments, which means ... we are so fucked.
I'm with Larry - this didn't happen as a surprise to Bu$hCo. The more problems in the Middle East, the more justification for US involvement.
And let's not forget India, Pakistan's sworn enemy.
The better to hasten Armageddon, dontcha know...
[adjusting foil cap as I descend steps to backyard bunker...]
Bush will take good note of Perv's trial run. Don't want to mess with a dude who's got nookyoolar weapons!
i would be a lot less alarmed if ANYONE other than bush was in the whitehouse.
thefact that he is the president makes this situation frightening.
and yet, how many people are really discussing this today?
i'll bet not as many as are dissecting last night's t.v. in great detail.
Thought the same damn thing PoP.
Worrisome isn't it?
I am in agreement as well.
I do not see bush leaving quietly, much like what we are seeing with Musharraf now. Because in bushworld, anything goes!
Exempting the human tragedy of all the lives lost (American and Iraqi,) these chickens were bound to come home to roost when the idiots took the emphasis off Afghanistan and put it on Iraq:
1. Afghanistan as a political basket case, complete with war lords and all the corruption that opium can buy, and
2. a dangerously unstable Pakistan.
And giving my liberalism a brief rest, I strongly recommend George Packer’s article “Planning for Defeat” in the September 17 issue of the New Yorker to get a sense of just how difficult and bloody letting go of Iraq is going to be.
It's funny for me to hear Condi pay lip service to the notion that the Pakistan constitution is sacrosanct when the administration she works for has absolutely no respect for the U.S. Constitution.
Oh yeah. An unstable Pakistan has the potential for all sorts of nasty consequences.
Will be very interesting to watch this play out. And things move quickly in Pakistan...we should see all kinds of trouble by week's end.
They're going to use it as an excuse to keep their hold on the White House. I can see it now, "We'll have to cancel the elections until we get things squared away in Pakistan."
I know nothing, absolutely nothing about the ins and outs of this situation, but I find it interesting that Bush has so little to say about it. Hillary is going around Iowa blaming Bush's "incoherent," policy towards Pakistan, but I do not even know what that policy is and maybe that is why it is so incoherent. I am really confused.
What with this situation in Pakistan and the whole Turkey/PKK thing, it's all shaping up perfectly for an "emergency" situation in January 2009--no doubt Cheney's pulling the strings right now to ensure it happens.
Someone tell me again why he hasn't had a coronary and keeled over yet?
I find the fact that Bush's response has been tepid to be telling. If the international community doesn't crack hard on Pakistan, does it tell Bush that siezing more power here will be a-okay?
I'm with you all on this one. It's getting harder to fall asleep at night...or maybe my tin foil hat is getting uncomfortable to sleep in. I think this is exactly what our Georgie and Dick have wanted for some time...damn!
pakistan has always been a tinderbox. while india has, in many ways, stabilized, pakistan increasingly needs medication mgmt. i like bhutto, but i think she is being naive.
All this "martial law must end" coming out of white house is smoke screen. I am SURE they give the green light to the little Mush!
I don't understand why we still give em all aid! We should stop sending them all aid and stop the prodution of things over there, bring productionof goods back to the USA, plus give all that aid to the folks here that are in desperate need of it.
"If Pakistan's radicals get their hands on the nuclear devices in that country all hell could become real."
Poor PoP, aren't you aware of the plan that has been hatched out to take care of the problem? Just as the problem of Osama was taken care of attacking Iraq, so will the problem of Pakistan by attacking Iran. See, everything has been throughly thought through.
It's time that Superman returned to save us! I still have hopes. Cheers.
There has been some good analysis on CBC radio the past few days, mostly with Pakistanis on the ground there. Bhutto also came on for an interview.
People there are used to military dictatorships (just as Americans are getting used to it - whoops sorry!). Almost everyone, including much of the army, seems in favour of elections as planned and sees this as Musharraf's personal power grab.
The US play on it is intriguing. If they hadn't jumped out of Afghanistan for adventuring in Iraq, the situation might be different. If the US hadn't decided to love India with a nuclear pact, things might be different.
Are the Pakistanis a direct threat to the US? A lot less than the US is a direct threat to them I'd wager.
White House is kind of quiet though...maybe it's the old 'any dictator will do, but they better damn well be our dictator." I don't think Bhutto will play that way.
Hard to say if the Bushistas are behind it but they sure aren't worried about it. The zio/fascist agenda is to cause all the muslim countries from the meditteranean to malasia to fracture internally and eventually balkanize.
Can we just reach out to the radicals and talk to them and try to understand their concerns? After all, the US is responsible for all their misery, shouldn't we try a little kindness?
Dry run for here... We're fucked!
When I was in the AF years ago during peace times, I was stationed at SAC headquarters. We had a saying there, because we knew if there were ever a nuclear war, we would be screwed. We always said that if the alarms sounded, we'd pop a beer, sit on the porch and kiss our ass goodbye.
The USA is not the only power in a position to influence Pakistan, but we are the only power with a hegemonist's co-dependency problem, i.e., a chicken in every pot and a finger in every pie. Like everything else that we outsource to China, maybe we should outsource this:
http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4384
Bush has said that Pakistan is his favorite model for Democracy in the region.
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