Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Are they watching?

I often wonder if the Iraqis are watching the erosion of our freedoms by the man who has purported to give them theirs. What must they think?


Anonymous pekka said...

To be quite frank with you, dear PoP, I don't believe that an average Iraqi is thinking of any deeper, international and political questions. I might be wrong, but going by the usually reliable source of my information, the seat of my pants, they tend to be heavily concentrating smaller issues like how to stay alive for another day.

It looks I am the #1 commenter. Do I win anything?

September 18, 2007 1:44 AM  
Blogger Distributorcap said...

i think the Iraqis of today are worried about water, electricity and whether their children will get shot when they go outside

as for us, if they even think about us -- they think about how much they hate us for electing an American Ghengis Khan - TWICE. they also think about the fact that it is THEIR fucking oil and not ours.

you know how you have to type in word verification to post --- this word is saddem... how ironic

September 18, 2007 2:09 AM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

Echoing the previous two comments, I think their primary concern is how to stay alive for another day, how to mourn their losses.

That said, I am thinking that many of them, in the trail of thoughts that cascade from the horrors of said daily life, must think the US is a monster.

And they are right.

Here we are as a country, less a democracy than ever, forcing democracy upon them in ways that are of course, completely antithetical.

And we wonder why the Iraqi government can't get it together?

On a related note, I have some close friends who live here but are from Jordan. I went there last year and met my friend's brother. This is a man, about my age 50ish.

His father had started a business in Baghdad in the 50's and this son had taken it over. They lost everything. This man talked of the horror of it all- at least he could go back to Jordan and start over, but what about the others?

This is a university educated gentleman, who has traveled the world and run many businesses. He has many relatives, two brothers among them in the US, and he was educated here.

Talk to him about democracy. He'll fill you in.

What a tragedy.

September 18, 2007 3:00 AM  
Blogger Coffee Messiah said...

Perhaps I've not paid close enough attention, but I believe the "millions" of Iraqis that fled in the beginning, were the educated and Wealthier of the people, the ones that remain, aren't able to get out, although by all accounts it sounds like they would, if they could.

Yes, conditions being what they are, and everything on a limited basis, they surely must know something is wrong with the US having elected b for a second time and letting him do whatever he wants, with no accountability or ramifications! ; (

I can't imagine living as they have to these past years and into the future, thanks to our bunch in dc! ; (

September 18, 2007 4:21 AM  
Blogger LET'S TALK said...

I must take my hat off to the first three comments. They are all in the same path of my thinking as well.

Iraq is a country where people are leaveing in the millions. Those that stay are in hell at this point.

September 18, 2007 4:23 AM  
Blogger Blueberry said...

I doubt they know what is going on over here, or care, it's not important to them. Like others have said, basic survival needs like food, water and not being killed are primary.

September 18, 2007 4:31 AM  
Blogger Undeniable Liberal said...

I would imagine that they think "freedom" and "democracy" suck balls.

September 18, 2007 4:31 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

Pekka and the other early comments are pretty much correct from what I can see. If you read Riverbend and the like you will note that they are pretty much down the lower levels of Maslow's list.

September 18, 2007 5:55 AM  
Blogger niCk (Mem Beth) said...

Lies, Murder, Poverty, Turmoil, Blood, Destruction, Harrassment, Genocide.

God Bless the USA.

September 18, 2007 5:59 AM  
Blogger Sherry said...

i'm not sure what the majority of them think but i do know what i think of my current government and it isn't good.

i know that my uncle and aunt went to ireland a few months ago and the people there are say that tho they like us as people they can't stand our policies.
that pretty much mirrors what my friends and aquantances overseas have to say.

September 18, 2007 6:01 AM  
Blogger mommanator said...

I think they are thinking as the American public thinks-when is this War gonna be over!

September 18, 2007 6:33 AM  
Blogger dguzman said...

Truly sad. They're struggling for survival from moment to moment, and all the while knowing that the whole thing is OUR FAULT. Boy, way to win some hearts and minds.

September 18, 2007 7:25 AM  
Blogger enigma4ever said...

Out family helped take care of a Iraqi Foriegn Exchange student for 3 weeks,he has been in the US for over 18 monthes, and he was very nice, very sad, and very quiet, but we had some really good coversations about The Mess, he has filed for Asylum,and his family is trying to figure how to get out of Baghdad, they scrape by day to day, and power and water are a huge problem, and also his dad ( a doctor) can not work, and they are trying to decide where to go and also how to get his elderly sick grandmother out of the country. They are Sunni,and that is a problem. He speaks beautiful English.... and One summer night I told him I am So Sorry for what our country has done. And he stopped and stared, and in his 17 years of wisdom , he said"But You are not Your government, your government is not a part of the People here, I know that, and most Iraqis do to. Your President is scary, and out of control."......I sat stunned.

September 18, 2007 8:17 AM  
Blogger robin andrea said...

Good question, PoP, and as always such smart and thoughtful comments.

September 18, 2007 8:28 AM  
Blogger ZBTzahBTzoo said...

If they wanted to watch, had the time to watch, felt safe enough to watch, would they be able to watch?

September 18, 2007 9:29 AM  
Blogger WeezieLou said...

i also think the average Iraqi is consumed by all it takes to survive day by day. and if they had any extra time, it might easily be rage directed at us. i take my anger and multiply it 100 fold.

September 18, 2007 1:07 PM  
Blogger Dr. Monkey Von Monkerstein said...

Your irony is delicious, but you'll forgive me if I wish we never see the likes of it again.

September 18, 2007 3:11 PM  
Blogger an average patriot said...

I doubt if they are watching but if they were they would realize not only will it get much worse there but for American's too. What might be next!

September 18, 2007 3:35 PM  
Blogger phil_in_ny said...

Good question.

September 18, 2007 4:13 PM  
Blogger annie said...

not without electricity.
we made everything worse there.
have a nice day! :0

September 18, 2007 6:51 PM  
Blogger Comandante AgĂ­ said...

On the bright side, I see your Cowboys have started off the season strong. I haven't picked a team yet, but I sure as hell aren't picking the cheating, spying (Bush-like) Patriots.

September 18, 2007 7:24 PM  
Blogger Anon-Paranoid said...

We are no better than the Nazi's under Adolph Hitler. We have a madman at the helm and leading us into dangerous waters as he goes for World Domination.

That's what the Republican stands for now. They all believe in the same policies of Hitlers Nazi's and are spreading in here on a daily basis.

Wake up America before you are herded into the concentration camps built by Halliburton on no bid contracts.

We now support a private army in Iraq who has also been used here in NOLA after Katrina [Blackwater].

They will fire on and kill American Citizens when Martial Law in enacted by Der Fuhrer Adolph Bush, make no mistake about that.

They will only answer to their paymaster and no one else. Do you really want to support a private military for the Government? If not let you representative know you don't, though I believe they won't listen too you anyway. But let them know how you feel.

Yes we are spreading Democracy in Iraq while we are at the same time getting ready to start another war with Iran.

So much for freedom we are giving it up for no security at all.

God Bless.

September 18, 2007 7:33 PM  
Blogger James said...

We're forcing our version of "Democracy" down their throats. Or perhaps the rape metaphor is more accurate here. What with all the phallus shaped missiles, bombs and guns. Not to mention using words like "penetrate" the "enemies" defenses.

September 19, 2007 1:36 PM  

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