Ah! At last! The plan to bring peace to Iraq, kind of
The quote below came from yesterday’s New York Times. The senior officer was speaking about plans to bring some sort of peace to Iraq.
“We are going to try a dozen different things,” said one senior officer. “Maybe one of them will flatline. One of them will do this much. One of them will do this much more. After a while, we believe there is chance you will head into success. I am not saying that we are absolutely headed for success.”
Is it just me or do his remarks bring to your mind a picture of someone desperately flinging all sorts of things against the wall to see if anything will stick? Is this what our “plan” has come down to? And as the flinging continues, so does the killing.
“We are going to try a dozen different things,” said one senior officer. “Maybe one of them will flatline. One of them will do this much. One of them will do this much more. After a while, we believe there is chance you will head into success. I am not saying that we are absolutely headed for success.”
Is it just me or do his remarks bring to your mind a picture of someone desperately flinging all sorts of things against the wall to see if anything will stick? Is this what our “plan” has come down to? And as the flinging continues, so does the killing.
posted by pissed off patricia at 1:44 AM
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They are completely retarded.
It's appalling. Whenever I start to feel sorry for myself, I think about what it must be like to live as an ordinary Iraqi citizen. The US just keeps on spreading goodwill worldwide.
In other words, they are going to piss in the wind and then piss downwind to see what happens. Do you ever wonder what would happen if they just put a plain ol' logical and practical person in charge?
What! They're trying something new?
I'm sure the "Leader Dearest" didn't approve that.......
What does that mean, if they throw enough ingredients into a pan, maybe it will turn out to be soup?
No wonder the country is in the sewers of doom!
You know I couldn't think of a better organization in the world to solve a military problem than the US Army. The only problem with that, THIS IS NOT A FREAKING MILITARY PROBLEM. Neither the Army, Navy or Marine Corps even remotely understand Iraq, and it is not their job to fix countries. Just because MacArthur had some luck in that regard is no indication that Patraeus will. Until we get some intelligent leadership in the White House and the State Department we have no chance of solving the problems of Iraq.
To expect that staying there will improve anything is so backwards thinking, it's amazing they can't see the stupidity themselves. ; (
There not only has been no real reason to be there (except obviously for their profit making) but, how can anyone expect us, to do anything for any kind of Peace in a country that not only doesn't want us there, but doesn't need us.
Once the profits slow down, they'll be gone and all the help they talk about, will be like how they've helped the Gulf Coast and jobs leaving the country.
I'm so dense I can't understand any of their thinking! ; (
When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles scream and shout.
or
Indecision is the key to flexibility.
i got an image from that story - a man flipping pancakes and they keep sticking to the ceiling, and everyone sputters around trying to see if they'll fall down.
well, i didn't say it was a SANE image..........
The everything and the kitchen sink approach. These guys were officially desperate a long time ago.
I'm surprised this guy admitted it, "hello, we're stupid, have no idea wtf we're doing, and we'll try anything."
One could only hope their is some shread of truth in it and the war will end! and the troups could come home.
it reminds me of those sticky spiders they had when I was a kid, you'd throw them against the wall and they'd slowly fall down the wall to the floor.....then you'd pick them up and throw them again.....
The only consistency "our plan" has had from day one - is it's inconsistency.
I picture blindly throwning darts at a dartboard and saying, yes that will work!
So in other words--we have no plan.
Hmmm, I read that and this is my translation:
"We're gonna pick our noses and wait out Bush's term, then the Democrats can deal with redeployment. They'll also be given credit for losing the war... since it's already been lost.
I'm such a defeatist. :)
Fallenmonk seems to understand this better than anyone!!
And by the way....did you see the story yesterday....some Air Force General in Iraq has said we should all be afraid, very afraid because "Al Ki-eeda" now has cells in the U.S......and if they don't yet have cells....well they are trying to organize them. Wonder how he knows what is happening here when he is there? It's a given....he doesn't know what is happening there!!
no witty repartee from me.
just continued sorrow and hopelessness.
Sigh....
With an additional 50 dead from 2 suiciders as Iraqis celebrated their soccer team's success in the Asia Cup - there is no hope for Iraq with such wrongheadedness.
There never was a plan! No organization.. nothing!
With 2 of my sons in and out of there and one flying there until September I have to say a total loss of everything was guaranteed the day the chief idiot ignored all good advice to the contrary and attacked Iraq not to fight terrorism or unseat Saddam but to get our military back in the middle east.
In todays post I was saying as I have many times that Iran and probably Pakistan are coming and soon. Because of this idiot we have some serious revamping to do and it has yet to be addressed.
Bush will stay the course in Iraq despite the odds because he has to until he can find the excuse to use our military elsewhere over there. It will get a lot worse before it spreads and really gets going.
The criticism of the uniformed military is misplaced. Our military has some first-class brains, but they were placed in the worst kind of predicament by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and company who thought they could war on the cheap and, as essentially isolationist ideologues, were too lazy and too arrogant to engage in the diplomacy and international public relations that the war on al-Qaeda was always going to require.
I noticed that David Kilcullen is involved which makes me hopeful that the military and maybe the career people in the state department are trying to get a little positive momentum for when Bush/Cheney leave the scene (assuming they do.) The New Yorker profiled Kilcullen some months ago. He is or was an Australian army officer who studied insurgency recruitment and found that the impetus to join is generated by social and family networks—not by ideology or religion as the neoconservatives keep preaching. The article also pointed out that the politicos have forgotten a major lesson of the cold war: You have to make the effort to understand the people whose hearts and minds you’re trying to win and communicate with them effectively. (Insurgent film clips of successful suicide bombers don’t find their way to Al-Jazeera by themselves.)
Going on with this war as-is is worse than worthless, but just getting our soldiers out--as much as we want them out--is not enough to stop the bleeding Bush and Company have started in the world.
Too long. Sue me.
I can't help but wonder what the military things of Bush who dumped them into this mess.
That quote scares the hell outta me, and I'm not even American.
we're not leaving till that oil law is signed...Even Nancy Pelosi agrees with that.
Until we can get it in writing that the Iraqis will let us steal their oil, we'll keep throwing anything and everything at the wall.
Latest projections now say Iraq won't be "stabilized" until 2009.
Here's a thought: Let the Iraqis keep their oil. That would go a long way toward ending the insurgency.
I tried to make sense of those remarks, but I'll admit I'm just confused.
"Jesus should leave well enough alone." You killed me with that one....
Next up, Bush pardons Iraq. Cheney denies it's a country. Sheesh!
You are being negative.
Personally I'm heartened by this brave and bold new plan that assures our continued success in Iraq.
God Save the Queen!
And has anyone seen my passport?
dear PoP, "It's a War. It's in Iraq. It's the War IN Iraq." wtf?
peace, peter
Wow, they're not even trying to make a convincing case anymore. Their spin is just pure, unadulterated bullshit.
GW's democracy experiment has flatlined a long time ago, no?
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