posted by pissed off patricia at 2:01 AM
I thought I was watching Fox News.
I'm still debating with myself on whether or not I still care about this election.I've tired of it all, grown weary, disconnected, dispassionate... it's all the energy I could muster just to post this comment.Must. seek. Britney. news.Probably. :)
I didn't, but alas, I fear I missed the social event of the season!
A free press is overated.
it looked like it was staged by the clinton campaign, even down to the shots of chelsea etc.the questions were inane and embarassing. jr. high debate teams ask better questions. i gave up watched a changed channel, but boy, i wasn't wrong in my assesment judging from the comments and rehashing today.
abc treated it as entertainment, not airing it live on the west coast, and presumably also in flyover country, but showing us a tape later, so we were spared the initial embarrassment. we did watch some reportage (rhymes with sewage) in real time and caught on quickly that the "debate" set a new standard of stupidity. i tried to watch the rerun but fell asleep retching.
It was horrible. I could only stand about twenty minutes or so.They REALLY need to give all the debates back to the League of Women Voters or kill them entirely.Last night's charade could just as easily have been moderated by reporters from TMZ.
I don't think we've ever really seen a televised presidential "debate" in this country.Even the Kennedy-Nixon stuff was not really "debate"
Let's see...the Obama supporters said it was awful and unfair. The Clinton supporters said it was great and finally fair.So, it looks like Hillary won the debate.It's amazing that the Obama supporters didn't complain about the debate when Tim Russert was all over Hillary and throwing soft balls to Obama. What it boils down to is this, Obama didn't get his pillow fluffed and his fans are angry. They are calling ABC a bunch of big meanies and they will send a bunch of money to Obama to let him know they all love him. Every debate gives the undecided voters a chance to push them in one direction or the other, they aren't going to sway those who have already made up their minds.
Taz (the cat) already left his comment on the "debate" - In the litter box.
I'm glad I missed it.
ME-What should be the topics of a presidential debate?Personally I'd like the candidates to discuss the housing crisis, ending the war in Iraq, the make-up of the judiciary, Sudan, the price of gas, the economy, the fact the president of the United States just admitted to authorizing torture and a host of other issues that go to the heart of the problems facing the United States today.You appear to be happy with a debate that mostly focused on Rezco, Tuzla and lapel pins.What's ironic is that, IMHO, Clinton is much stronger and looks much more presidential when the subjects of the debate are the issues I care about. The stuff kind of thrown in there at the end.Last night was a debacle for Clinton AND Obama. Pure and simple.
Dean Wormer- They DID discuss the housing crisis, the economy, foreign policy, healthcare, social security, and more. Did any of you actually watch that debate or are you just writing from the Obama spin machine? And for Obama to be whining about how it took 45 minutes to get to the issues, he should consider himself lucky, HE DID LOUSY ON THE ISSUES! He had NO idea what he was talking about when it came to capital gains taxes and he was clueless when he was talking about foreign policy. I know why he did so badly, he had to take the questions first and he couldn't copy off of Hillary. Not to mention, the outright LIE about not having his handwriting on that form about the gun control laws. My gosh, Obama would have done better if he had stayed home. But don't worry, that spin machine is out and all the Obama supporters are whining about ABC being a bunch of meanies. Of course, it was ok for Tim Russert to go after Hillary and lob softball questions to Obama. That was different, eh?Really, see if you can actually get a copy of the debate and watch it. Then we'll discuss Obama and the issues and how he answered to them.
I didn't watch it, but I heard some recap on NPR this morning, and of course it focused on all the cat-fighting between HRC and BHO, which was really disappointing. The stupid MSM plays up that bullshit, and the candidates are always eager to play along. I agree with the Dean that when Hillary's on the issues, she's very impressive, but if she stuck to that then the MSM would call her even more "boring" than Al Gore. God forbid the candidates show intelligence and a grasp of the real issues in this world.The whole thing just pisses me off.
dguzman, true...the msm doesn't want to talk issues and I have to wonder if it's because they don't understand the issues, themselves. I did see the debate and Hillary did great on the issues. I'm disappointed that she is being blamed for the "bitter" question that came up. She didn't ask the question, it was a person in the audience. I guess this is important in PA. Hillary answered because she was asked, she didn't volunteer it. Although, it was Obama who tried to throw some dirt at Hillary with some stupid remark about a question a guy asked Hillary when she was shaking hands after a rally and she said "I'll take that into consideration". Hillary just gave him a funny look and the whole thing fell flat. Obama sounded like a little kid tattling and he looked ridiculous. The moderators just ignored it. So, it was Obama who was trying to fight dirty, but it didn't work.
ME-Dean Wormer- They DID discuss the housing crisis, the economy, foreign policy, healthcare, social security, and more. Yeah, they fit some of that stuff in near the end when they were done discussing who does and doesn't wear a lapel pin or who lied about sniper fire or whatever other such trivial nonsense Gibson and George thought was on American's minds.Did any of you actually watch that debate or are you just writing from the Obama spin machine?Read up-thread. I watched twenty minutes of it from the start, switched it off in disgust and then turned it off and on in the end to see if the moderators had returned to the real world. Your question is insulting, btw. This isn't Slate's Fray or Fark or whatever. You don't need to go for the jugular.He had NO idea what he was talking about when it came to capital gains taxes and he was clueless when he was talking about foreign policy.Capital gains taxes are something I don't give a rat's ass about personally, except to hope that they go back up. A LOT. I believe this position puts me squarely in the majority opinion of most members of the Democratic party and progressives as a whole. That either Clinton or Obama were asked about that crap at a Democratic debate just goes again to lack of substance in last night's debate. That a millionaire like Charlie Gibson through a hissy fit about their answers just reinforces that.Really, see if you can actually get a copy of the debate and watch it. Then we'll discuss Obama and the issues and how he answered to them.Again I would ask you not condescend. I'll reiterate what I wrote above- I follow politics very closely. I'm aware of Clinton and Obama's positions on the issues, votes in the Senate and plans for what they would do while in office. I assesed both candidates and on the issues that matter to me - especially the war in Iraq - I believe Barack Obama would be a better president and exercise far superior judgement to Hillary Clinton. It would be utterly pointless to rehash all that stuff here.Before you jump in- this isn't a matter of me not "getting it." This is a matter of me making a different decision based on my experience and what I believe. Conversly- I am on no level trying to change YOUR mind. You reasons and life experiences which play into your support of Clinton are different than mine. It really would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.I suspect that when this thing is over you and I would have a lot more in common than we'd disagree on. That's why you're on my blogroll and I enjoy your site so much (when you're not writing about Obama ;-) )
ME-One more thing-Of course, it was ok for Tim Russert to go after Hillary and lob softball questions to Obama. That was different, eh?Here's what I wrote on my blog on 2/27 after that debate-Just a question --If, at last night's debate, Tim Russert asks stupid questions that piss off Clinton supporters and Tim Russert asks stupid questions that piss of Obama supporters, shouldn't the ire of all of us be focused on Tim Russert instead of at each other?Which brings up a larger question -- who really benefits when Democrats are ripping into each other because of a funny picture of one of the candidates or because of the contents of a mailing?But please continue with your blanket generalizations of what Obama supporters think about how these debates have been moderated.
well personally I am tired of the whole thing 21 debates from the democrates, how many will we endure when they finally pick a candidate1
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'I don't think we've ever really seen a televised presidential "debate" in this country.'anonymous, I can think of exactly one.during the final season of West Wing the candidates told the media to take a hike and made their own, impromptu, debate.too bad things like that never happen in real life.
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