Tuesday, April 01, 2008


When Senator Clinton began falling behind in votes, she became determined the primary votes in Florida and Michigan should count. Her reasoning was that she felt these two states should not be disenfranchised.

Now Senator Clinton sounds as though she is willing to take this to the convention and perhaps rely on the super delegates to give her the nomination.

Seems to me allowing the decision to be made for the Democratic nominee, relying solely on the votes of the super delegates, might well disenfranchise a lot more states than just Florida and Michigan. Is Senator Clinton worried about that?


Blogger FranIAm said...

You know, as much as I remain somewhat tepid on Obama, my feelings are clear about Clinton.

When will she stop? The campaign has such an air of desperation and anger to it; entitlement.

It is really awful. I heard Bill Clinton, whom I have always loved, at a campaign rally and his screechy tone really turned me off.

This must stop.

April 01, 2008 3:13 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

I'm worried about all this crap leading to President McCain.

April 01, 2008 5:19 AM  
Blogger Sherry said...

this has to end. i've lost almost all respect for either clinton and i used to be a big fan of both.

and the thought of mccain as prez scares the hell out of me!

April 01, 2008 5:40 AM  
Blogger JM said...

Apparently not. But in the rarified air that she's been breathing for so long, consistency isn't something she feels obliged to provide. Whether it's telling tall tales about Bosnia, or claiming to be named after an explorer whose conquests occurred after her birth, or her on/off support of NAFTA, the pattern is clear. She'll say whatever is expedient, regardless of its' truth or consistency if it suits her current objective. Given the short attention span of the public and the mainstream media, seldom is she held accountable. I share Randals' concerns about the backlash of this.

April 01, 2008 5:48 AM  
Blogger Targa said...

She has a set agenda and the blinders are on. Her overly selfish endeavor is going to ruin the convention. She squandered her front-runner status MONTHS before the "lie" and now she's a fish out of water gasping and flopping around in an embarrassing bid to remain relevant.
If McCain wins the gig, it's Hillary's fault and she should always be reminded of it. Always.

April 01, 2008 6:13 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

There is still time for this to get fixed before the convention. Hillary and her campaign staff sincerely believe that if Obama is nominated the GOP will trash him in the general and the only chance the Dems have is with HRC. Right or wrong we need to let this play out.

April 01, 2008 6:21 AM  
Blogger betmo said...

take heart brave souls- al gore is rumoured to be thinking independent candidate for president with bloomberg as his mate. we'll see. the thing that irks me- those two states deliberately disenfranchised themselves- for whatever reasons. at least one had a rethug state government. why make rules if you are not going to stick with them? they chose to move the primary up- folks knew that last year. i would have thought that the democratic party heads would have worked around that. which they probably did. clinton is the one who is desperate. i won't even get started.

April 01, 2008 6:23 AM  
Blogger roger said...


April 01, 2008 7:40 AM  
Blogger annie said...

i think you might see some real upheaval by we the people, if it all comes down to super delegates. a general strike, perhaps?

April 01, 2008 8:05 AM  
Blogger TaraDharma said...

Hillary's ego is in her way...she's tripping all over it. Now, I know politicans need big egos. but I wish she would set it aside for the good of the democratic party, and ultimately the country. The people really have spoken. Duh.

April 01, 2008 8:29 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

I've been trying not to jump in on this stuff because I'm sympathetic to some Clinton supporters but not her candidacy, but I would like to say it bothers me when Clinton talks about voting rights and disenfranchisement.

I don't remember the Clintons being that concerned in 1999 with the Bush shenanigans going on in Florida that stopped the counting of votes and effectively robbed Al Gore of the white house. Not to mention the disenfranchising of 51 MILLION Americans who voted for Gore.

They're selective about the fights they pick. Fair enough since they're politicians. But let's not pretend they're suddenly on the side of angels out of the goodness of their hearts.

April 01, 2008 8:39 AM  
Blogger Colonel Colonel said...

Hillary is worried about what is best for Hillary and her Giant Enormous Ego.

She's the new Ralph Nadir.

April 01, 2008 9:27 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

I was worried about this some time ago and it seems right now that all of my fears are coming true. The worst that could happen is that John McCain ends up being President, but the "best" is almost as bad if the democrats in general become disenfranchised. It's just not a good thing.

April 01, 2008 10:04 AM  
Blogger The Culture Ghost said...

No. No. No. If McCain is elected in November, it will not be Hillary's fault. Stop with this astral projection of blame bullshit (there are still Democrats blaming Nader for Bush in 2000)! If McCain is elected, it will be the "fault" of the American people...your fellow citizenz (sic)...your countrymen! Get used to the idea that McCain is what people want and will elect. Your fellow Americans are the problem...remember that at all times.

April 01, 2008 10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should'nt the voters in Florida and Michigan have thier voices heard? Or should only Obama supporters be heard?

April 01, 2008 11:12 AM  
Blogger Batocchio said...

Well put in that last paragraph, POP. Hillary's interview with NPR on 3/13 really disappointed me. Her positions and rhetoric are those of a hack. She's arguing for personal advantage, and disingenuously, not for fairness.

April 01, 2008 11:29 AM  
Blogger D.K. Raed said...

Hillary's not worried. She will do whatever it takes to play ball. That worries me.

Also, if Michigan & Florida delegates do get seated, has anyone realized that this will increase the number of delegates needed to secure nomination? The rules are 50% + 1. Add more delegates, and the magic number of 2,025 goes up accordingly. Unless the DNC has subverted that rule, Hillary cannot prevail even WITH that strategy. The numbers just aren't there.

April 01, 2008 11:32 AM  
Blogger Yoga Korunta said...

No President McCain, please.

April 01, 2008 2:28 PM  
Blogger an average patriot said...

They don't care about disenfranchising the voter only using them. Hillary and Bill have sickened me with their mis performance during this. They will take this to the convention, party and the future of America be damned. They only care about themselves and winning.
Can you imagine having the ill fortune of being her VP with Bill around? It would be insufferable!

April 01, 2008 2:56 PM  
Blogger La Belette Rouge said...

It makes bowling for the presidency seem like not such a terrible idea. McCain would not be a good bowler.

April 01, 2008 5:54 PM  
Blogger annie said...

the fact that obama was not a good bowler thrilled me! maybe he was busy learning other (more cerebral) things.

April 01, 2008 9:03 PM  
Blogger Forty Paws said...

The mere thought of another 4, possibly 8 years of GOP run kicks my gag reflex into high gear. The American people absolutely cannot be that stupid. But then I look at Bush and am reminded that indeed some are.

April 01, 2008 9:36 PM  
Blogger Mauigirl said...

The whole disenfranchisement thing is a crock - Hillary wouldn't be complaining if the two states in question had voted for Obama over her. And the states did it to themselves; they were told what would happen if they moved their primaries up and they did it anyway. That said, I don't see why the DNC cared when they held their primaries, but that's another story.

Betmo, I hope the rumor about Gore/Bloomberg is wrong. If they run as independents that would ensure McCain would win. Talk about splitting the Democratic party!

April 02, 2008 9:25 PM  
Blogger Swinebread said...

she should be worried about that

April 03, 2008 8:08 AM  
Blogger Batocchio said...

I don't see why Gore would want a cabinet position, when he can come in as a consultant instead and do much good. It'd also be good to get in some new blood.

And Bloomberg is a joke. His actual positions are pretty firmly conservative, even if he's amiable, but then the press didn't care about Reagan's far right policies because he was such a nice guy (see also Bush and McCain). Does anybody really want Bloomberg, aside from dolts like Broder, Richard Cohen, Joe Klein, and... Bloomberg?

April 03, 2008 10:58 AM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

What Hillary Clinton says is good for the country seems to change with the shifting set of circumstances that best favor her position.

April 03, 2008 11:39 PM  

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