Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Help me out here

Because I am still on the same sleeping schedule that I was when I was meeting Murphy’s needs, I crash early each night and arise early each morning. Over time I’m sure I’ll get back to normal sleeping hours, but for now I’m still in the early crash mode.

The reason I’m telling you this is because I saw none of the debate last night. I just couldn’t stay awake. So tell me about it. Help me out. Did Hillary make it or break it? Was she the kind Hillary or the scolding Hillary?

What did you think of both candidates and the whole debate?

24 Comments:

Blogger Distributorcap said...

after the initial "lets get down" -- by asking hillary about her attitude change -- they got into a 20 minute session on the minutia of Health Care ---

dont get me wrong -- Health care is an explosive and critical issue -- but these two were arguing over something akin to -- is it brighter at 1PM or 2PM?

i started reading People magazine -- they lost me,

half- listening, HRC landed ZERO punches and in my mind changed no minds. She didnt come as schoolmarm Hillary, but she also didnt come as Joan of Arc Hillary. she didnt move the needle one iota back towards her

Obama closed being the "honored" one -- it is all too full of platitudes for me. The debates are really nothing more than extended press conferences or acting classes for people like Russert.

February 27, 2008 1:52 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

From the coverage at Kos(I didn't watch)it seemed Russert was a real ass and seemed to have it in for Clinton. The opinion there was that it was an Obama win on overall merit. Some noted that Hillary didn't seem to have the energy she previously had.

February 27, 2008 4:55 AM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

I am sick to death of it all- and this from someone always passionate about politics.

I support neither but will vote for whomever gets the nomination.

That said, I tuned out and did not watch.

If anything, I get co-dependently embarrassed about her shrill and strident tone and his bunnies-and-rainbows 'peace 'n understanding shit drivees me mad.

So why upset myself when I already have enough going on?

As for you- I send you good and healing thoughts always.

What a great mom you were to Murphy, PoP!

February 27, 2008 4:58 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

Heh, fran's fourth paragraph is a nice summary. I left work a bit after 8, got home, shoveled the driveway and went to bed, so I saw zip.

February 27, 2008 5:08 AM  
Blogger JM said...

Hillary came off a little snarky at first, with a bit of sarcasm that fell flat. But she got back on track, and I'd have to call her overall performance a draw. Not what she needed to score a knockout punch. And she's REALLY got to keep that laugh locked down, it doesn't serve her well.

February 27, 2008 5:21 AM  
Blogger niCk (Mem Beth) said...

Hillary helped out Obama more than herself.

Personally, I think her experience is better, but she is too conservative to make a Democratic President. Many conserves have said they'd rather vote for Hillary then over McCain.

February 27, 2008 5:41 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

I didn't watch it because I simply can't take it anymore. These debates are a lot more fun earlier on when there are more people in them. Kind of like watching American Idol when it is full of all the really bad singers making fools of themselves.

The thing about Hill and Obama is that they are so very close on the issues that debates seem kind of fruitless to me.

February 27, 2008 6:02 AM  
Blogger mommanator said...

didn't take in had company here, and they would never watch a debate, I am like franium, get it over with for pete's sake!

February 27, 2008 6:09 AM  
Blogger WeezieLou said...

didn't watch. came home, feeling not great (just a cold) and went to sleep at 2:30. had the alarm set to get up and watch. gee, i hate when i throw those things on the floor and break them. needless to say..............

February 27, 2008 6:35 AM  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

there's only one thing i would love to see happen with the campaign it involves me, a machine gun and the assembled washington press corps.

February 27, 2008 7:58 AM  
Blogger ZILLA said...

Oh, crap! I hope they rerun it on CNN. No idea what I was doing last night -- pissing and moaning over my contractor situation, most likely.

Nothing wrong with early rising, PoP. If it agrees with you even though it hasn't always been your way, why change it? I love a quiet sunrise...

February 27, 2008 8:17 AM  
Blogger Darwin's Dagger said...

There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president.

- Kurt Vonnegut

February 27, 2008 8:46 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

I wish the League of Women Voters still ran the debates.

What a mess they've become.

February 27, 2008 10:41 AM  
Blogger Don said...

The debate has become rather subdued. Pretty much repeating the same stuff over and over and over again. Hillary came with her usual snide remarks (Obama supporter here). Obama remained his same collected self. To be honest, the crowd and stage setting was dead.

Hillary didnt score any points. Neither did Obama though.

I think it ends March 4th.

February 27, 2008 10:44 AM  
Blogger dguzman said...

No tv, no debates. Still, everything I've read focused on what an a-hole Russert was, which makes me think that neither Clinton nor Obama did anything new or exciting. I'm bored by it all; I just want to cast my vote for Clinton in the primary, for Obama (I'm being realistic) in the election, and then hope for the change that they're both promising.

February 27, 2008 10:55 AM  
Blogger Targa said...

Ugh. There was a debate last night?
I wasn't even aware.... so much for my political awareness.... Sheesh.

I might as well start up a celebrity gossip blog.

Is Bush gone yet?

February 27, 2008 11:51 AM  
Blogger annie said...

those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it!

pay attention to things, fellow citizens. you know what happened when you did not. right?

February 27, 2008 3:22 PM  
Blogger Josie said...

I think Clinton and Obama's fractious behavior is going to hand votes to McCain. Anyone who is undecided will look at him and think he is conducting himself with digity, where as those two look like they're in a schoolyard fight all the time. If I were an American, I would be very hesitant to vote for either one of them, even though my political beliefs lean more towards the Democratic party than the Republican.

It's unfortunate that the Democrats keep doing this. Why can't a really (really!) strong candidate be elected as leader of the Democratic party. What you have now is the lesser of two evils.

It's not a done deal yet!

February 27, 2008 4:26 PM  
Blogger Human said...

I found it Hefreakinglarious that Sen. Clinton complained of being asked the 1st question all the time. She even asked why. Which went unanswered.
The men knowing that Political Correctness is the watchword of the day could not answer honestly. The honest answer (or at least mine)would of went like this,
"Excuse me Senator Clinton, but I was born in 1961 and raised to let the Lady go 1st."
Sen. Clinton's attacks fell pretty flat.
The most effective attacks on Sen. Obama came from the questions on Farrakhan. I don't mean they had any merit. However as is the wont of a supporter to put words in a candidates mouth, I would have after they kept pressing the point, was to say, "You are trying to take the words of another and put them in my mouth. I don't think anybody's buying it, but good luck." In the end he did very well on it. Sen. Clinton's attack on "denouncing" or "rejecting" was pretty weak and Sen. Obama showed just how weak it was.

Sen. Clinton's most lame attack was her lie that Sen. Obama would "bomb Pakistan". He also handled that very well.
On persona, Sen. Clinton looked as bitter as ever.
Sen. Obama looked like he was, well a President(but I admit, I'm biased on that one).

Security - If one noticed the SS was real tight up on Sen. Obama after the debate when the candidates went to sign and greet the front row. One SS man almost grabbed the left arm of Sen. Obama as if he was ready to pull him back and shield. It seemed to me that Sen Obama was keeping that elbow available to grab. The 2 SS men closest were really looking at the crowd hard.

There was only one SS man that I could see near Sen. Clinton during the signing and greet. He hung back with hands crossed.

It was a good debate and though I'm sure we all had wished our respective candidates had said this or that or the "Moderators" were less invective towards our Man or Woman I think that it was more of a service to the American voting public than any other of the debates. And what the hey, at least there were not any, "Diamonds or Pearls" questions.

February 27, 2008 4:56 PM  
Blogger bluegrrrrl said...

Pop--
I just read your post about Murphy from a couple of weeks ago.

I am so, so sorry to hear about his passing, and believe me I understand what a gruelling decision that was. I have had to make a few of those decisions in my life, and it is never easy. It is always the humane thing to do...but never easy. I had a very close call with Stella around the same time and thought I was going to lose her, but we were able to bring her back, and I feel even more fortunate about that after reading about your loss.

Strangely, you and Murphy have both been in my thoughts the past couple of weeks. I'm no longer blogging and am out of touch with the people I care about in the blogosphere--but somehow many of you stay in my thoughts.

Stella and I are sending you a huge hug. If you want to email me: bluegrrrrl@cox.net

February 27, 2008 7:06 PM  
Blogger D.K. Raed said...

I'm not on Murphy time, but still could hardly manage to keep my head up for the whole debate. Kept nodding out & coming to, but it was still the same blah, blah. Enigma did a good live blog of it. I chose to be silly about Hillary's laugh & clothing choices. I was told I even snored at one point. Hrumphhh! Don't think you missed much in the make or break dept.

February 27, 2008 10:50 PM  
Blogger two crows said...

I got so sick of it all I tuned out not long after it started. it isn't a debate now that it's down to nitpicking the details of essentially one agenda.

and, for all the press' talk of the Reps preferring to run McCain against Clinton, the conservative press just keeps attacking her. [I see Colton's "endorsement" as more of the same.]
I keep getting a whiff of red herring when they say that.

February 28, 2008 12:01 AM  
Blogger enigma4ever said...

POP...I still have been thinking about you and Murphy...so so sorry....I was like that after my bassatt ABBy died....I could not get back to a People cycle for many monthes....so I know how that feels...it gets better...promise....

About the debate...I liveblogged it...if you are really desperate for any details- but every body here really summed it up....it has gotten old and tedious....and yes Russert is an ass....

February 29, 2008 7:22 PM  
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