Thursday, April 30, 2009

Specter another Lieberman?

Will Specter actually help the Democratic party or will he be another whiny pain in the ass like Lieberman?


Blogger FranIAm said...

Ack - the mere mention of Lieberman... it burns! It burns!

I don't think so. He will be a blue dog through and through if you ask me. Lieberman is more of a complete jerk and I don't want to insult dogs or other animals with that kind of descriptor about him!!

There are many blogs where I have mentioned this and I will say it again. I met Specter briefly in 1986. Republican or not I found him to be a good conversationalist and listener. I was a 29 year old know-nothing giving a talk at an event and yet he asked me lots of questions and clearly had listened to my talk and subsequent conversation.

All I say is that this showed me something of him, even for a politician, that I can respect.

I am no longer interested in everyone seeing through my own lens and doing things my way. The whole notion of a democracy is that we cooperate in some way. It is that cooperation that has been gone, killed by Bush, Cheney and others - it started during the Clinton years by the GOP. That said, the Dems are often no better.

This brings me back to Lieberman... He is one clear example of that behavior.

The reality is that we may not all agree, but that the process works in some reasonable fashion and the majority prevails and adjusts.

Perhaps Specter is capable of this. I am just exhausted by lining up people under "good" and "bad" columns, often defined by party alone.

Rant over. Aren't you glad I'm sort of back? (*snort*)

Signed, Old Crank I Am

April 30, 2009 3:19 AM  
Anonymous abi said...

Specter's vote against the budget yesterday is the answer. He didn't become a Dem to help the Democratic party. He did it to make sure his 79-year-old ass can return to its seat in the Senate.

April 30, 2009 5:19 AM  
Anonymous Joe the Troll said...

Just watching Steele and Limbaugh fill their diapers was good for this Independent.

April 30, 2009 5:44 AM  
Blogger Randal Graves said...

They're all whiny pains in the ass. Good luck getting him to vote the non-psycho way on the Really Important Stuff.

April 30, 2009 6:22 AM  
Blogger Susan said...

Support a REAL democrat in the next election: join the facebook group that pledges election funds to a viable primary challenger. If the money's offered, maybe a real progressive will run.

April 30, 2009 6:40 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

Hmmm. This may be the first time I've ever felt I disagreed with Fran. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding her point but when she says "I am just exhausted by lining up people under "good" and "bad" columns, often defined by party alone" I immediately want to raise my hand and say "hold on."

If anything the problem many people have with Specter, myself included, has nothing to do with the d or the r after his name. The guy's a douchebag, for lack of a better term. Having him be a U.S. senator is bad thing, regardless of party.

I'm a democrat and I would say there are several democratic senators that are jerks, that are going to draw a lot of hate from the rank and file over the next few years. Ben Nelson, Harry Reid and now Specter fall into this category. They will hold up and gut progressive legislation. This will hurt everybody in this society but especially it's weakest members.

Just take what Nelson did with cram down legislation and you see the real problem has nothing to do with party and more to do with senators being part of a self-serving club that sees elections as an irritation.

Let's get a primary challenger in there to get a true progressive in that seat.

April 30, 2009 8:50 AM  
Blogger two crows said...

I dunno for sure -- but the fact that he's changed parties twice already gets my goat.

I can respect even a Republican who has principles and sticks by em. I just haven't seen one in so long I've forgotten what one might look like.
many Dems are the same, of course.

this guy switches parties as convenient and that tells me he's not to be trusted.

60 IS a nice round number but I'm not sure he's going to be worth the trouble.

April 30, 2009 11:00 PM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

All I said was that he listened and that struck me deeply at the time, Dean!

And I am tired of self-definition although I am just as quick to self-define. The problem with all the lines is that in the end there is no real cooperation and nothing can be gained from that.

If Dean Wormer didn't love me any more I would have a new self-definition... heartbroken!

May 01, 2009 2:55 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

Oh, Fran. 'Course I love ya!

Just a minor disagreement. Not the end of the world. ;-)

May 01, 2009 8:53 AM  
Blogger roger said...

"whiny pain in the ass like Lieberman"

just so.

May 01, 2009 6:22 PM  
Blogger two crows said...

well, I've watched him for a week now and, yeah -- he's lining up to take LIEberman's place.
HOW many times has he stood up for the Party of NO, now?


May 06, 2009 10:16 PM  

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