Monday, March 17, 2008

Where do we go from here?

Five years ago this week the US invaded Iraq. Some call that a “mistake”, I call it a crime. Think about all that has occurred during those five years.

As we are all painfully aware, our country is in economic misery right now. There isn’t much if anything we can point to that makes us feel positive today.

We know of the events of the past five years. With that in mind, what condition will our country be in five years from now? Where do you think we go from here?


Blogger Randal Graves said...

If a Dem gets in, some things will be fixed, the economy will still suck, we'll still mostly be in Iraq, we won't be closer to universal healthcare, and the talking hairpieces will gleefully be telling us all this.

If McCain gets in, better hope you have a nice stash o' booze.

March 17, 2008 3:34 AM  
Blogger niCk (Mem Beth) said...

It will take longer than 5 years to dig us out of the hole the criminal leaders have dug for the country.

....if we ever recover.......

March 17, 2008 4:40 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

Unfortunately, I think it is just going to keep getting worse. I wish I could think otherwise, but right now I just can't.

March 17, 2008 5:38 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

Nick is right about how long it will take the country to recover from the 8 years of Shrub and Cheney. Some of it we may never recover from. The environmental damage, especially to the salmon fisheries in the West and to National Forests in general. The lack of positive action on greenhouse gases may prove mean that we are beyond the point of correcting the problem. The trillions of dollars of debt rolled up for the war will be a burden on the country for 30 plus or more. Corporations will still be calling the shots 5 years from now so the little guys will still be behind the curve. Doesn't look too promising.

March 17, 2008 6:06 AM  
Blogger Forty Paws said...

Agreeing with the previous commentators, we are in such a mess that regardless of which Democrat is elected, they won't be able to get us out of the Shrub debacle in 4 or even 8 years. Then the GOP will scream that the Dems were worthless, and they'll manage to get another idiot elected, although by then McCain will definitely be too old to run, thankfully. I don't see us back to a prosperous, united, happy country for 10-12 years. Pessimistic? Yes.

March 17, 2008 6:27 AM  
Blogger Sherry said...

i sadly agree with forthy paws, but we have to, we just have to start soon.

March 17, 2008 7:25 AM  
Blogger roger said...


March 17, 2008 8:51 AM  
Blogger Mary Ellen said...

I think we'll still be in Iraq, not as many troops as we have now. I also think if George Bush gets us into war with Iran before he leaves, we may be in a lot more trouble than we want to think about. Russia is not going to sit by if Bush sends in an air strike on Iran.

I left an Irish Blessing for Bush at the bottom of the post on my blog, today, you might enjoy it. doesn't end well for a cat, so don't let Fred see it.

March 17, 2008 8:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know if Joe is coming to Palm Beach or not. If you heard or read somewhere that he is, then I will be with him. We're touring the US this summer. Would be a gas to meet you!

March 17, 2008 9:14 AM  
Blogger Distributorcap said...

as above
the next five years will suck -- if mccain gets in it will be even worse than it sucks

my prediction (especially if mccain gets in) -- as we slide to the abyss - Remember what happened to the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia???

STATES (not people) will start bailing... yes secession. Bush has marched this country to a possible split.

in our lifetime

just my prediction

March 17, 2008 9:34 AM  
Blogger Candace said...

I agree with what FortyPaws and Mary Ellen said.

I am listening very closely to Distributor Cap's predictions because he knows what he's talking about - he's been spot on before. D-Cap, I do hope you're wrong, though.

March 17, 2008 10:33 AM  
Blogger isabelita said...

Look back at the demise of the Soviet Union. They blew a wad on military fiascos. I know it's more complicated than that, but it was a big factor. Supposedly their economy is better now, but only for certain people, similar to our situation. I think we are following that pattern of decline.
They may be able to grab onto China's coat tails for survival, selling off their resources for a while.
We are just in the headlights.

March 17, 2008 10:58 AM  
Blogger T&A said...

I'm hoping for some change if the Dems have power, but I agree with the rest of your readers that this is a 8-10 year project to get us out of this mess!

March 17, 2008 11:23 AM  
Blogger Targa said...

PoP, I hate to say it but, five years from now:



March 17, 2008 11:35 AM  
Blogger Targa said...

Oops, I forgot the translation:

We will all have to learn Chinese. We will all be poorer. The United States will cease to exist in its present form, or at least the United States we grew up with.

March 17, 2008 11:36 AM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

I think that, as usual - Dcap may be right.

Today as I was out and about I was struck with the thought that this nation is fully into its decline.

Not that that comes as a shock to me, I just had not felt the brunt of it as I did today for some reason.

This is interesting as I am usually here so early in the day and I liked reading these other comments first before saying anything.

Anyway, 5 years, who knows. It will be a hard go for quite awhile.

Today, beyond the buds of spring here in upstate New York we had other signs of hope... David Paterson's swearing in and his very human, very real and authentic and most hopeful speech.

It was something to grasp on to in our otherwise depressing political world.

P.S. I hate that Targa said what Targa said... but only because it may well come true.

March 17, 2008 11:48 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

We have nowhere to go but up.

I like to be hopeful. For instance I'd like to think that in five years Dick Cheney has exhausted the last of his appeals and is facing pretty stiff sentence.


March 17, 2008 11:56 AM  
Anonymous scott said...

Let me for once take the optimistic POV:
• The Bush tax cuts might expire, which would be the first sign of economic sanity since 2001.
• We might get a lot more help from the international community with Iraq and especially Afghanistan if we behave like other countries count.
• We might at least start a national discussion on whether health care should be a right or a privilege.
• We might decide that using less energy is as important as finding more energy.
• We might at least create the appearance of being an honest broker between the Israelis and the Palestinians.
• This recession may be a dozy because we have indulged in too much unreality, but there probably is far shore and we will pitch up there one old day.
• We will almost certainly have a president who listens to somebody other than Dick Cheney.

March 17, 2008 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you idiots like to stroke each other about your "misery".
See the news out of Tibet today. Now that's misery........

March 17, 2008 1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just "love" the blame america first crowd.

March 17, 2008 3:16 PM  
Blogger an average patriot said...

It is a crime but It was no mistake! Everything is going as planned and Bush will be attacking Iran. That is why we are there. this mess here, in the middle east, and around the world is just beginning.

March 17, 2008 4:42 PM  
Blogger windspike said...

What's that sucking sound? Your cash dollars being vacuumed out of your pocket and placed into the already wealthy - the war time profiteers.

March 17, 2008 5:05 PM  
Blogger Musings from Myopia, AKA John said...

It's interesting that "anonymous" is so brave as to attack those of you who have commented. I won't 'sully' his/her/their 'name' with more comments about him/her/them. I'm discouraged, too, about the state of this country. I am a fierce believer in the premises upon which the U.S. Constitution was framed and am horribly disappointed that it has been abused by the current administration and the cowards in Congress (and their anonymous slaves). It's up to us to do what the Founding Fathers did when they put their lives and their families in jeopardy for a noble cause. We have the same noble cause, just a different despot. And the world does not see our cause as so noble anymore because we have allowed ourselves to believe we are always right. This will be tough.

March 17, 2008 6:37 PM  
Blogger Dr. Zaius said...

There is only one logical direction for this country - Happy Underpants!

March 17, 2008 11:42 PM  
Blogger Weaseldog said...

Yeah, many of most outspoken supporters of the Status quo don't want anyone to know who they are. They believe that patriotism comes from anonymity and that bravery comes from skulking int the shadows. But in reality, they are too cowardly to stand behind their words. In that view, they probably don't. Many of them are professional liars working for Netvocates and similar organizations.

DistributorCap, I've been arguing for years that we're showing all of the classic signs of decline.

1. Our resource base is exhausted.
2. We are bleeding to death in meaningless wars of occupation.
3. The media has devolved into a complete circus that has turned everything into entertainment.
4. Whenever faced with the chance to head off another disaster, or siphon more money off to crooks, we choose the crooks.
5. For the elites that Anonymous worships, hiring a prostitute is a heinous crime. Crapping on the Constitution is a Glorious Enterprise.

Sing it Anonymous! "Shout! Shout! Shout out loud! Snout! Snout! Pink and Brown!"

March 18, 2008 10:42 AM  
Blogger dguzman said...

With the Corporatocracy firmly in place in all three branches of government, we have no place to go but further down--further away from the Constitutional principles and freedoms on which the country was founded. If a dem is elected, we'll still be a country, though it'll likely be too expensive for any of us to do much more than live off ramen noodles. If McCain is elected: full-on fascism within five years, under the guise of "turning the thing around." We'll continue our imperial overstretch and finally collapse under the weight of our own debt.

March 18, 2008 11:58 AM  
Blogger Swinebread said...

Buy, Buy, Buy! Spend, Spend, Spend!

oh wait, we're outta money!

March 18, 2008 4:28 PM  
Blogger two crows said...

I'm reaching fatal/fiscal-breakdown mode:

I went shopping Monday and stocked up on food while it's still available.
while out, I went ahead and bought a bamboo dishdrainer I've had my eye on for about 30 years.
dollars will be worth less tomorrow than they are today -- so why not allow myself to indulge in something beautiful that I've wanted for half my life -- even if I DID already own a plastic dish drainer?

March 19, 2008 7:32 AM  

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