It doesn’t let the president off the hook
Nope! Nope! Nope! All the stuff that is finally coming out in the Washington Post about the secret president, Cheney, and how he has been the instigator of all that is evil within this white house, does not excuse or explain away bush’s own responsibility.
As we approach the presidential elections of 08, bush’s Republican feet must also be held to the fire. If he were any sort of actual boss he would have been on top of what was going on in the vice president’s office and he would have stopped it. As he himself said, he is the “decider” and he should have been in control and decided long ago that his vice president was out of control and a detriment to our country in so many ways.
If bush didn’t know what the vice president was up to, that shows his incompetence. And, if he did know what the vice president was up to, then he is a co-conspirator and should be treated as such.
Yes, I’m glad the Washington Post is exposing the evil dick cheney, but I don’t want all the blame for all that has happened to be handed only to cheney. It must be equally shared by the president.
As we approach the presidential elections of 08, bush’s Republican feet must also be held to the fire. If he were any sort of actual boss he would have been on top of what was going on in the vice president’s office and he would have stopped it. As he himself said, he is the “decider” and he should have been in control and decided long ago that his vice president was out of control and a detriment to our country in so many ways.
If bush didn’t know what the vice president was up to, that shows his incompetence. And, if he did know what the vice president was up to, then he is a co-conspirator and should be treated as such.
Yes, I’m glad the Washington Post is exposing the evil dick cheney, but I don’t want all the blame for all that has happened to be handed only to cheney. It must be equally shared by the president.
posted by pissed off patricia at 2:20 AM
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Yes, it's about time, and also about time the representatives "actually" start making some "Impeachment" noise, otherwise, this will all be dust in the wind, as they all scoot out of office, scott free. ; (
I figure, this is yet another smoke screen to take heat off of: oh, perhaps the supreme court rulings yesterday, that weren't again very good decisions, especially pertaining to separation of church and state. ; (
Please tell me this is a bad dream and it will be over soon, in a positive way???
Please......
You have to wonder what is precipitating this disclosure at this particular time. When it comes to this administration I don't put anything past them when it comes to trying to manipulate the American people. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
bush is the "decider" and the "commander guy" but not so much the "blame-taker". That's going to be someone else's job. I can hear it now though, how Cheney's been doing a heckuva job.
Good article and excellent point. We all know Cheney is the mover behind all this mess, but the one who gave him the keys to the bulldozer, is even more guilty in my mind for allowing/helping it to happen.
I don't like that they are pitting Bush and Cheney against each other- and which is it Incompetence or ignorance or what? and now they are trying to say that Condi and Dick didn't get along- see I think they are doing this so Condi can make a WH run- I think that is the Hidden agenda of the Dark Dick Take coming to light- so Suddenly.....
Right On, POP!
Tell it like it is.
Peace,
=RD=
Not only are Bush and Cheney guilty of conspiring to defraud the American people, but the majority of Congress and everyone who was in the Bush administration. The crimes are systemic and bleed throughout the nation.
Bush seems to never run out of people to take the blame or look like an idiot in his place. After Dick though, I'd think he ran out.
Cheney should be impeached first. My only worry would be that bush would appoint Fred Thompson as VP, and give him an air of credibility when 2008 rolls around.
I agree with coffee messiah about yesterday's supreme court rulings. This is so bad it is truly staggering.
I have to veer off the subject of the All American Dick, Dick, and the All American Dickhead, Dubya, their over reaching fuckup of a war on terror and their criminal fuckup of a war in Iraq.
Yesterday provided a vivid example (or several) that of our minority, feminist, environmental, terrorized, Naderized, and just-too-lazy-to-be-bothered chickens of 2000 and 2004 have come home to roost. With Roberts and Alito added to what I’ll cal our “pre-existing condition” of Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy, we now have the Five Stooges of the Constitutional Apocalypse. Swift Boats are protected and Bong Hits are not. I won’t be surprised to see poll taxes levied in Texas and Alabama by New Years 2008. Fortunately I have no children, but if you have daughters, you’d better not be shy about discussing contraception. They are likely entering the era of no second chance.
Just my opinion.
good point. i was looking at to where they were pointing.
so the president ceded all authority to the veep. this is going to look great as bush's "legacy," along with a failed war and a nice deficit.
maybe cheney will run for vp again, now that he's established the office as superior to the actual prez.
Looks like Good cop bad cop, except they are both criminals.
Nicely said POP! The man should be impeached tried for his incompetence or his shear disregard for the "rule of law"!
But how was your vacation?
Hope your gopher merely exchanged abodes.
Bush's whole act has to be the dump buffoon that is just trying his best.
In reality Bush is in the thick of this mess, often pushing it himself for profit, not for people.
scott-thanks for the "veer", as upsetting as it is. as a woman with 2 daughters, the info is frightening. and british columbia sounds better every day...
For all Cheney has done to subvert the law, Bush is guilty as an accomplice for looking the other way or for playing along. He is in charge, and all of this has happened under his watch. Anyway, I think Cheney needs to be impeached, and Bush needs to resign before he also gets impeached.
I work for an education service district which contracts special education services to school districts. When it was revealed that one of our higher-ups, a program supervisor, was doing illegal money-things and that it had been going on while our superintendent basically looked the other way, the supe quickly resigned as the charges came in re. the bad apple program supervisor.
I guess that when so many are bought off and sold, like in the highest levels of our government, we can't expect those people to do the right thing, like the people involved in my organization's situation did. Also, our former superintendent proved by resigning that he felt badly about what had happened, and that he has a conscience. He wanted our education service district to survive, he viewed what had happened in human terms, and he was deeply apologetic. In the case of Bush, I am not sure there is any conscience in play, or any ability to view matters in human terms.
Our organization is under new management, and the errors caused by the corruption have been remedied at the office. We still face having to pay the state something like $425K, and we have massive image problems to correct. I don't know if we will survive having to do all of that... but at least those of us who work there are now confident in knowing our supervisors and managers are on the up and up.
If Congress had any integrity at all, Cheney would be facing an impeachment process, and Bush would be forced to resign. If the U.S. was under new management, it would take a while for us to get back on our feet, but it would help restore our standing in the world, and it might, if things were done the right way, help restore our peoples' confidence in our government.
I agree, Cheney could not commit the crimes he does were he not goose stepping behind his Fuhrer, who allows and encourages them all.
Bush is the one lying and stealing everyday and Cheney is his mindset, I think Bush is just as bad as Cheney
I agree, there is plenty of blame to go around and our "fearless" leader deserves a good portion of it!
Sad too say, but our Constitution doesn't provide the right to impeach the fourth branch that the Dark Lord Dick {Heinrich Himmler} Cheney runs.
You can't impeach an office thats outside the Constitution. You can only remove him by force, even if it entails deadly force.
God Bless.
I say we impeach Cheney first, and have one big purge in this nation! It is long over due in my eyes. Cheney is buckwild and really believes he is above the law.
I'm so tied up in knots over this arrogance that I can hardly think. Pop please send an email to me so I can have your address...I'd like to communicate with you.
Don't worry, there's plenty of blame to go around. The problem is there isn't much accountability to go around.
There's a deeper meaning to it all-- Shrub's two terms, with Darth Cheney standing in the shadows. I just wish I could decipher it, so as to ease my latent anxiety that we and the world are slowly cascading towards chaos . . .
Still, I have a certain laid-back faith and hope that everything's gonna be all right . . .
Sun is shining, birds are singing, woods are lush, and I smell the ocean on the cool breeze . . .
Works for me . . .
What makes me bonkers is all the nutters will call the WaPo a liberal POS or whatever they say about NYT, and nothing will come from it.
I hate the GOP!
I would be happier if this expose actually led to something like impeachment, or an Agnew type regination, but as long as Gonzo is there, no chance
Cheney is the brains behind the puppet; the strong father figure without conscience. Impeach him first; Bush second.
Cheney merely did what an effective executive would do but he did was on the sly and resulted in fundamental change that would have never survived a public VP to be so involved or effective. George W. gave him plenty of cover. It was clearly a team effort with George playing the front man whilel Cheney worked the process. Evil fucking bastards, all of them
Cheney Moves His Office to Dubai
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Dick Cheney regularly forgoes niceties such as treaties, laws, our constitution and avoiding conflicts of interest with his oil brethren. This we know.
One example among oh so many is the multiple billion dollar no-bid contracts awarded to his last employer and present benefactor, Halliburton.
Recently, Halliburton, in what can only be described as a Cheney-esque maneuver, devoid of patriotism and morality, is moving its headquarters to foreign soil. That the chosen country Dubai, an Arab land of Sheiks and Sultans, is a physical presence in our 'oil' wars and the WWIII Islamo Fascist crusade against Islam that Cheney et al say we will be fighting for decades is a chilling example of how Cheney's non-legal non-moral mind can discard America's interests with cognitive impunity.
I would like to also point out that to some degree Halliburton knows the United States' Military's Order of Battle in the Middle East.
To supply services to our troops they have to know of and plan for the logistics of troop movements; short term and long term.
Halliburton is in essence a division of our armed forces, paid differently but no less integral than communications, the motor pool, medical services and our lives'-at-risk warriors. Halliburton was an American entity but will not be as they leave America to avoid legal scrutiny and presumably to avoid paying U.S. taxes on what you and I pay them in those contracts.
If Dick Cheney saw personal gain for himself and his 'oil' brethren he would move the Pentagon offshore. He peddles nationalism and the 'Red, White and Blue' to the well meaning but susceptible GOP faithful but when it comes to his own interests it is not Red, White and Blue, it's "screw you."
--craig johnson--
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