Support for the troops but not the mission
During the debate on the House floor Tuesday, regarding support for bush’s decision to send more troops to Iraq, one Republican Representative said that you can’t support the troops if you don’t support their mission.
I beg to differ with his statement. Our troops didn’t create this mission or this war. The commander in chief declared this war and then sent our troops to fight and die for the causes he stated. Yes, I can support the troops without supporting their mission, because they had no say in what their mission would be. They trusted our president and our country to send them into war only as a last resort and only when it was necessary to defend their country.
I support the troops. I do not support the person who declared their mission or the reasons he gave for such a declaration.
So, to the gentleman who stated last Tuesday that I could not do this, I say, yes I can.
On a different subject and on a somewhat lighter note….
To the Republicans who say that if we bring our soldiers home from Iraq, the terrorists will follow us home. I say, no they won’t. If our soldiers are on their way home and they turn around and see a terrorist following them, they’ll shoot that rascal.
I beg to differ with his statement. Our troops didn’t create this mission or this war. The commander in chief declared this war and then sent our troops to fight and die for the causes he stated. Yes, I can support the troops without supporting their mission, because they had no say in what their mission would be. They trusted our president and our country to send them into war only as a last resort and only when it was necessary to defend their country.
I support the troops. I do not support the person who declared their mission or the reasons he gave for such a declaration.
So, to the gentleman who stated last Tuesday that I could not do this, I say, yes I can.
On a different subject and on a somewhat lighter note….
To the Republicans who say that if we bring our soldiers home from Iraq, the terrorists will follow us home. I say, no they won’t. If our soldiers are on their way home and they turn around and see a terrorist following them, they’ll shoot that rascal.
posted by pissed off patricia at 1:29 AM
25 Comments:
I remember that the Russians were going to come also. All those "duck 'n cover" drills. ; (
Rhetoric & sound bites to get people to join lock step with gw, a man who simply lives in a world I'm not familiar with!
Hard to believe these people believe that shit! ; (
The commies were going to take over Hawaii on their way to San Francisco immediately after we pulled out of Vietnam.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I had a "friend" tell me the same thing. Ahhhh. So much BS. I don't know where these people are getting there information or if they are informing themselves at all.
You're exactly Right! And I also HATE this idea that the DEMs (or the Next Pres) are now supposed to *OWN* this war and this mission by somehow fixing the Unfixable and any attempts (or failures) to Clean Up George's Mess!
How I HATE these people in our Administration!
I'm all for keeping terrorists out of our country. Let's start with Bush!
Support our troops by not making them die for somebody else's lies and hubris.
My response when people tell me that I don't support the troops is: "I support the troops as much as you do, the difference is that I support the troops to life and you support the troops to death."
The GOP tried to attack Patrick Murphy the freshman Democrat from Pennsylvania in the Washington Times for his stirring speech against the war on the floor of Congress. Murphy is an Iraq vet who served with the 82nd Airborne in Baghdad. They can't seem to get it through there skulls that just because you don't support the war you can't support the troops.
Here's something for Fred :
Nora, The Piano-Playing Cat
well, completely off track, or subject, but your morning martini is missing, the picture that is. and i do so appreciate it. i support you AND your mission.
When I heard that representative say those words, about not supporting the troops if we don't support their mission, I screamed a long tirade at the TV. That is the most inane "logic" I've heard in a long time. We can support the troops and not support the terrible mission they have been sent on. I can hold both those sentiments at the very same time. The republicans can not be permitted to equate troops and mission. The former are in Iraq on orders, and the latter are those orders.
BTW-- the martinis are back on top, maybe they were just missing for a moment.
My favorite part was where the republican stance was that we have had our own army since 1776 and have never required body armor before 2002. Ummmm yeah so how many problems can you find with that statement ? It’s not exactly like our troops are fighting with muskets still! So irritating! I definitely support the troops but not the war, one does not necessarily go with the other!
Here's the cynical game plan of Republican leaders:
"This debate should not even be about the Iraq war to date, mistakes that have been made, or whether we can, or cannot, win militarily. If we let Democrats force us into a debate on the surge or the current situation in Iraq, we lose."
Their own words.
Now, now, everyone. Don't get angry when one of the goopers spouts talking point six from the RWNM (Right Wing Noise Machine) memo. Bush said the same thing for the last 3 years at least, and look what it's gotten him. It's no different from saying you can't love your kid and hate what your kid is doing. When you define your world in two dimensions only, it's hard to imagine the complexities of supporting people while opposing policy. In other words, they're morons.
I thank you so much for this post. You have a new fan.
Indeed, POP. The troops do what they're told, go where they're told, and kill who they're told. I know when I was in, all I cared about was the mission. I didn't care whether it was right or wrong, I did what I was told.
The mission is directed by the civilian leadership and the troops have no choice to obey. We owe our military more than we can ever repay. We owe our civilian leaderhip a jail sentence.
Here's an interesting quote from a rather well-known Republican hypocrite that the current Republicans don't seem to remember:
We can support the troops without supporting the President.
— Disgraced Republican Trent Lott, failing to support the U.S. president, during the Kosovo crisis.
GM
Well said. Politicians are bred to spout garbage, that's why they're so good at it. When someone is ordered to do a job and will likely end up in prison for refusing (I think they've stopped shooting deserters now, even in the US) you can support him without having to agree that the job he is being forced to do is a right one. That's obvious to all but brain-dead morons. The problem is that brain-dead morons tend to end up in politics!
There will always be that segment of the population that blindly accepts whatever the Bush administration and its staunchest allies in Congress says and does. As far as they're concerned, if the Bushies say you can't support the troops if you don't support the mission, then you're either for the war or you hate America -- Bushies say it, they believe it, end of story.
Still, it's just as well that these people give their blind allegiance to this administration. They don't really bring anything else to the table...
Everyone feels for the poor troops over their fighting a war that they didn't start.
The statement you can't support them without supporting the war is not only wrong but manipulative and makes me feel angry.
Best wishes, The Artist
The terrorists would have never BEEN here, were it not for a flaming Jesus Freak stealing our white house!
To the Republicans who say that if we bring our soldiers home from Iraq, the terrorists will follow us home.
Never happen. Those guys and gals are going to be coming home horny! Super Horny even!! The terrorists will get one look at all that fornicating....and turn around.
Really, one can have the utmost of confidence and support for our troops put in harms way. What most of this rattling about is, unlike what the W, rove and Co would like to admit, a clammoring country wishing to demonstrate that it has no confidence in it's president.
The troops are not to blame for this. They have been forced. anyone who blames them is missing the grand plot here.
Dear POP,
you hit it. it's BUSH's mission; troops don't pick their mission: "theirs is not to question why...." unless of course they learn the mission is illegal.
and how are they going to follow us? do they have a navy? air transport? magic carpet? so our immigration control is so bad that terrorists can just walk in?
itmfa!!!!
peace, peter
They will shoot that rascal. It is odd how you radicals make sense sometimes. It has been and always will be rediculous that people don't support the troops. I just read a blog that claimed that God is not on the antiwar side because we say, "fuck the troops". I have never heard anyone on either side utter those words or have that sign. He was claiming that swearing was keeping God away. I'm sure God cover her ears when someone lets out a swear or ask for change in the swear jar, but would be outraged at murder, enviromental disaster (depleted uranium, global climate change, and war), greed, and enslavement by free trade.
i thank you for this post ... in fact i thank the majority of the american people ... were it not for all of your support we (soldiers) would have lost hope along time ago ... it truely is the biggest thing that keeps us going ... and dont worry ... its not just the american people not supporting the war ... everyday i hear more and more soliders asking questions ...
as for the bad guys trying to follow us home ... im sorry ... but try and stop/follow/impead soldiers going home ... oh boy ... theres not a chance in hell, because let me tell you something ... once they give me the green to go home ... nothing will stop me ... but i also like TUA's comment on the fornicating ...
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