The “Decider's” Decision
I would bet big time that bush will opt for the “surge” when he makes his speech and here’s why I think so.
He isn’t going to pull our troops out because it would mean we “lost”, and he knows his legacy would be little more than fecal matter if that happened. As if.
He can’t just leave things as they are now, because he already admitted that we need to change direction. The public wouldn’t stand for more of the same.
So what’s left if you don’t bring them home, and you can’t keep doing the same old, same old? You extend tours of duty and make the troops go over there more often in order to have a numbers “surge”. If he doesn’t do this, right wing hawks like McCain, and yes Lieberman, will always and forever say the reason we lost the war was due to a lack of troops.
From the news yesterday we learned that Saddam will be executed within the next thirty days. That’s about the same time frame bush has given himself to make his speech telling us what he plans to do in Iraq. Interesting how these two events fall so close to one another. Makes you think, doesn’t it?
He isn’t going to pull our troops out because it would mean we “lost”, and he knows his legacy would be little more than fecal matter if that happened. As if.
He can’t just leave things as they are now, because he already admitted that we need to change direction. The public wouldn’t stand for more of the same.
So what’s left if you don’t bring them home, and you can’t keep doing the same old, same old? You extend tours of duty and make the troops go over there more often in order to have a numbers “surge”. If he doesn’t do this, right wing hawks like McCain, and yes Lieberman, will always and forever say the reason we lost the war was due to a lack of troops.
From the news yesterday we learned that Saddam will be executed within the next thirty days. That’s about the same time frame bush has given himself to make his speech telling us what he plans to do in Iraq. Interesting how these two events fall so close to one another. Makes you think, doesn’t it?
posted by pissed off patricia at 12:17 AM
38 Comments:
Left to Bush alone, that would be a foregone conclusion. I treat my trash with more care than he does our armed forces. But I also see a lot of his usual cold political calculations, as in a "new majority" in congress, and some not too bright "new majority leaders" hanging their necks out to accept his albatross. It has to never be forgotten, this man is an Evangelical. They have no morals, no scruples, only narrow, self serving goals.
McCain is pushing hard for the extra troops. That's strange. Perhaps he's honing his '08 message: "I had the right idea, nobody listened." This was a political/religious war before it started, so normal guesses go out the window.
Saddam's hanging schedule is curious, but then, the folks in the white house have never won any Mensa awards, either!:) It (death of Saddam) won't help Bush at all. America's way past giving a hoot about Saddam. Especially with Bin Laden just waiting......
I would bet a considerable amount that the "surge" option is the main feature of Shrubya's upcoming speech for the reasons you mentioned. We (the sane people of this country, I mean) have to stop that from happening.
Soon-to-be Senate majority leader Harry Reid is evidently willing to go along with Bush's insane plan, which means he (Reid) doesn't understand the election results that gave the Dems the majority.
What more can those of us who are watching this trainwreck unfold do to prevent a worsening of it? Express support for Kucinich's proposal to cut off funding for an escalation in the war, for one. Take to the streets? I think it's high time. March on Washington anyone?
The timing is no surprise. It's all politics, all the time with these criminal clowns.
I'm not sure how the court system works there, but I'm not taking any bets that Saddam will be executed within the next thirty days.
Has he no appeals left? In this country those things can drag on for years.
Ah well, it's just a bunch of monkeys screwing around.
His legacy is going to be little more than fecal matter no matter what he does.
Yeah, makes me think of two dead men walking. Bush is done, he's a lame duck. He will be the worst President in history, period. Saddam is just done.
Indeed the Worst President of all time!
All else he is/does is as meaningless now, as it has been the years hes been in office ; (
Murder and deceit. That's what the game of politics has come to in this country.
Saddam was tried, convicted and executed for his 1982 murders of hundreds of Kurds. The USA supported and aided these murders, Then he was tried by his political opposition. Fair trial, no way. Even though he was a murderous tyrant, it was the US that helped him become that way. Will anyone in the US be punished for giving him the power to commit these crimes for which he will be executed? AND, the execution is sure to make the civil war in Iraq even worse. Conditions are deteriorating, and certain to deteriorate even more.
Bush has put the US military in the middle of a hornets nest, while he is protected from the stings, and he keeps stirring up the hornets. The "Shrub" and his gangsters need to be fired. They work for us, they are doing the worse job ever, how come they can't be relieved of their positions? We are not being governed by a democratic representive, but a power-hungry irrational idiot.
Must ......quit .....gritting ...teeth.............
Doesn't matter what he does from here on...his "legacy" IS fecal matter. At any rate, he's just flapping his lips and spinning the issue every which way. I have no doubt that his plan is and has always been a surge in troops. He does not care about right vs. wrong, nor does he care that the American public (indeed, the entire world) is demanding troop withdrawal.
The nation's Xmas present from the mass murderer George W. Bush was having the death toll of American Children killed in Iraq to surpass that of the Americans murdered by Osama Bin Laden on 9/11/01.
Of course he is going to kill more. That's what mass murderers DO.
My guess is that Bush will stretsh out the war to another president's term so he won't have the abyssmal failure on his record, which is already a string of abyssmal failures.
The bloody idiocy of El Shrubbo del Estupido is by no means finished, and one can always assume that if there is a way to make something worse, Chimpy will do it.
I expect a "surge" in nothing but American casualties. We don't have enough boots to put on the ground in Iraq to even call it a "surge."
Bush and his minions are desperate and cornered. Regardless of its rationality a cornered animal will lash out in a vain attempt to change the paradigm. We are watching an American tragedy play itself out here. A failed president with nothing in reserve and too afraid of admitting his failure to recognize his only honorable action. All of the death and destruction are squarely the product the Bush and Cheney's egos.
The best guess for Bush brain is to determine what is honorable, humane and rational and then pick the opposite and you've got what Bush would do. Then, just to make it interesting, he will throw in bombing of another country on top of the already stupid idea. I think he wants Iran to stop oil to the U.S. so he can take Iraq in a storm and give the American people what always soothes their soul - cheap gasoline.
Good morning, all. Hope your Christmas was merry, and hope your New Year will be happy.
bbc, AP is reporting the details of the death sentence - no more appeals, all the principals are committed to signing the necessary warrants, so it looks like it's bye-bye to Saddam if AP is correct
No, it doesn't make me think Patricia. Thinking would ruin my nails.
POP, everything Shrub does is timed and calculated. By the way, if you see the film "Bush's Brain", which is an incredible documentary about Karl Rove, it points out that Bush's vocabulary was much higher BEFORE they decided to run him for President. They dumbed him down. I realize he wasn't a Rhodes Scholar, but he's truly not as dumb as he looks.
If there is a "surge" and I believe there will be, the first thing that comes to my mind is the "Inactive Reserves" and the call out that can help them avoid a draft like they have spoken out against.
Anyone that is within 8 years of the time that they enlisted, falls in line with that. So it would not be a draft, but the call out of people that are already trained and just need a refresher. Imagine having been to Iraq already, and then to get called back after getting out the military.
Sounds crazy? Well think about this. I did a post within the last few months about a man that was over 50 years old that got called back and killed in Iraq! Where else could they come up with the warm bodies so needed and not available?
He could decide to become much less oil dependant on foreign countries, you know the ones funding terrorists, that would certainly slow their progress. It would also reduce global warming in the process, killing two birds with one stone!............nawwwwwwwwww he isn't that smart or good!
I'm sure you've already read it, but Jane Smiley's piece at the Huffington post is well worth your time. She's wondering about the surge as well. Imagine sacrificing more troops just to save your own face. No matter how hard he tries, Bush won't be able to write his own glowing legacy. It's a steaming pile of fecal matter now, and that's what it will always be.
Donnie hit the nail right on the head. Inactive reserve personell will have to be called up to fill the ever growing gaps. Local news in my area had a story not too long ago but a guy who had been out for decades but was called back in due to his military speciality. Another possibilty is them calling up the retired reserve which still has me on its list.
It will be interesting to see if McCain's son gets sent over to the battle zone. I'm pretty sure he won't be put in harm's way, but if he were, what would McCain's reaction be if teh kid was maimed or killed? Could he be so crazy - I think he's raving nuts - as to perceive his own kid being a "sacrifice for freedom", a worthwhile "investment," as that evil bitch Condi puts it?
This madness is utterly nervewracking and bloodchilling. It's too painful to think about it for too long.
You got it in one.
Peace:
"The best guess for Bush brain is to determine what is honorable, humane and rational and then pick the opposite and you've got what Bush would do."
If that were the case you would have seen us torturing POW's on television like the insurgents.
MM - I really dont think Bush cares any longer. Playing politics? For what? What does he get out of playing political games for the republicans? He has really been abandoned largely by his own party already. A few points up or down on the opinion polls? What does that do for him?
What institution or individual in an official capacity is looking for the interests of the country and her people?
I think you're right. He's gonna go for the "surge." Too bad he's in my beloved state "thinking about" his Iraq "policy" right now. Take him. Please. Just get him outta here.
Close friends have a son on a second tour in Baghdad. Their son-in-law is now training to join him.
The First Twins should support Daddy by enlisting.
I think this Saddam execution is a big mistake, but then Saddam was a mistake, our mistake. This will increase terrorism, but then what are we doing that doesn't increase terrorism these days? Besides, the growing fear of terrorism feeds the corporate money machine.
Bush is El Stupido, that's a given, but he does have a few smarties around him. The trouble with the administration is not the absence of available brains, it's the absence of hearts. Not one in the bunch.
TFWY, right on! I agree. We have to remember Bush is an evangelical, an Armageddonist. If he isn't stirring things up in the Middle East, he doesn't feel like he is doing his job to fulfill the biblical prophecies in Revelation!
If Reid caves in and goes along with the crackpots, it proves to me that the Democrats don't have what it takes to provide real leadership, at least in the Senate. I plan to send an e-mail to Reid just as soon as I finish this comment, for what little help it will probably provide.
I think Lew is right about Bush letting the war stretch out into the next administration. The war has already been used by the GOP to fire up rightwing voters, and if a Democratic president inherits the war mess in 2009, I think it would just about guarantee a Republican, like maybe Jeb Bush, getting into the White House in 2013. As long as our troops are in Iraq, the Republicans will put every spin on it that they can.
I think Donnie and Beach Bum are right on, too. Bush will do all he can to save face, even if it means calling up people repeatedly. Isabelita, I also think McCain is a raving nut. And Tom, yes, at this point I think Bush is just going to do what HE wants to do, which will undoubtedly entail some nefarious scheming about ways to circumvent Congress. Blueberry, the fear of terror does feed the corporate machine, almost as much as the war itself does! Pull out of Iraq? Nah, it's too big a gravy train!
As for the timing of Saddam's upcoming execution (and I don't agree with the death penalty at all, even for someone as despicable as Saddam), I don't find it any more odd than U.S. gasoline prices increasing dramatically during the summer, then decreasing substantially just prior to the November election, then gradually climbing again right after the election.
Scheise!!!
OK, this is what I wrote and sent:
Dear Senator Reid,
I write to you in hopes that you will consider not approving funding for the Bush administration to escalate the Iraq war by sending more of our troops into harm's way. I believe, as many other Americans do, that an escalation of this war will only serve to escalate the insurgency in Iraq. I do not believe that increasing our troop numbers will do anything to end centuries-old religious conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites. I believe invading Iraq was folly to begin with, and I see increases in troop numbers as nothing more than throwing good after bad.
I believe the only way for the U.S. to "win" in Iraq is to involve other Middle Eastern countries in the process, admit mistakes have been made, and work together to find a solution to that region's problems. There will have to be give and take. We will have to work with Syria and Iran. Our country needs to show a compassionate side, and help those in the Middle East to increase their standards of living. New American leadership needs to demonstrate a new approach, not just show the world more of the same bellicose, combative side it has seen since George W. Bush gained the White House.
New leadership is what I hope we will have, given our election results from November. I believe our election results were a referendum on the need for the United States to take a new, more positive approach in many areas. No more "business as usual" in politics... a sane foreign policy that is not aimed at achieving a global empire...
You can be seen as not supporting Bush but still supporting the troops... if you support bringing the troops home, and if you support using our military to protect our country, to defend the United States of America. That is not what I view the troops doing in Iraq at this time. I see the war as little more than a nation-building effort in an attempt to grab natural resources in the Gulf region.
Please, consider the results of the November elections before you decide to support the idea of a "surge", which is really just stretching our military even more than it already has been, and escalating tensions in the Middle East in the process.
If you are willing to put your foot down and say "No" to the Bush agenda, kudos are in order to you and those you lead in that direction. If you are NOT willing to put your foot down and say "No" to more of this foolishness, I ask you to step aside and let someone with more courage be the new Senate leader. It is time for a new approach, not more of the same old... stuff.
Sincerely,
John Evans
La Grande, OR
Please, you can send him messages too. His website is
http://reid.senate.gov/
Hit the "Contact" button and send him your thoughts. It may not help a whole lot, but it may help a little... and it certainly can't hurt.
Thinking hurts POP. Bush is going to send more troops to die despite only 12% of the public agrees. Some democracy
Great letter, Snave. I'm off to send one too!
I agree he will probably go for the "surge" as that is the only thing that think about is the use of "force".
Too bad the old school of thought is so ingrained into society. The only real solution and answer is to live in Peace.
As for Saddam, his execution will be blamed on the US as the government of Irag is a puppet. It is a loose/loose scenario. It would be more beneficial to keep the guy alive and allow him to write his letters and disappear into obscurity and let the spin doctors spin the history of deceit.
first thought horribly enough was, one less former president to pay.....
i read that after controlling the mass media (read Murdoch & FOX) everything is possible through god ;)
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