Impeachment is Not Enough
Dan Bartlett, was on Hardball last night and said that he wants to know how the Democrats plan to get out of Iraq. I would turn that question back on him and ask what is the Republican plan for getting out of Iraq. How many more have to die before their plan kicks in? This stuff about our standing down when they stand up is pure bullshit. So many of them are getting killed every day that it seems like more of them are laying down in graves than standing up. Sadly our own losses keep increasing too. Will America be there until no one is trying to kill anyone else?
Mr. Bartlett also mentioned what bush said not so long ago, as he quoted one of the generals, that if we leave Iraq now the enemy will follow us home. Who will follow us home, the Shiite or the Sunnis? Osama already knows where we live and he’s still alive and able to give directions. And how in the hell will they get here? Are they gonna hop on their ships or their planes? We know they can’t bring their shampoo with them. We know they might or might not be on our no-fly lists. We know that Senator Kennedy was, for sure.
Enough already! They gotta stop with this desperate mindless drivel. Bottom line, they got themselves into a war without giving it a second thought and now they can’t get themselves out. Their plan to spread glory over the middle east was a dismal failure. It’s time for them to face the music. They failed our country miserably. They lied, cheated and stole from all of us. And now for the topper, they tell us if we question this blood bath they have created we are just like the people who “appeased” Hitler. When American leaders turn on the American people who disagree with their decisions and actions, you know they are desperate. Rumsfeld seems to feel he is infallible. He isn’t. He’s a very large part of the problem. He’s just one more of the crooks.
I won’t be happy with just an impeachment, I want the bastards in prison, and I want them there for the rest of their lives. By the way, that would still give them a longer life than most of our dead soldiers were allowed. No, impeachment is not enough, there must be imprisonment too.
Mr. Bartlett also mentioned what bush said not so long ago, as he quoted one of the generals, that if we leave Iraq now the enemy will follow us home. Who will follow us home, the Shiite or the Sunnis? Osama already knows where we live and he’s still alive and able to give directions. And how in the hell will they get here? Are they gonna hop on their ships or their planes? We know they can’t bring their shampoo with them. We know they might or might not be on our no-fly lists. We know that Senator Kennedy was, for sure.
Enough already! They gotta stop with this desperate mindless drivel. Bottom line, they got themselves into a war without giving it a second thought and now they can’t get themselves out. Their plan to spread glory over the middle east was a dismal failure. It’s time for them to face the music. They failed our country miserably. They lied, cheated and stole from all of us. And now for the topper, they tell us if we question this blood bath they have created we are just like the people who “appeased” Hitler. When American leaders turn on the American people who disagree with their decisions and actions, you know they are desperate. Rumsfeld seems to feel he is infallible. He isn’t. He’s a very large part of the problem. He’s just one more of the crooks.
I won’t be happy with just an impeachment, I want the bastards in prison, and I want them there for the rest of their lives. By the way, that would still give them a longer life than most of our dead soldiers were allowed. No, impeachment is not enough, there must be imprisonment too.
posted by pissed off patricia at 4:28 AM
47 Comments:
Well put Bill on the Swift Boat.
What gets me is how any Republican voter can look him/herself in the mirror today with the recent decline in gas prices. The GOP practically admits it's because of the impending elections. WTF?! I want him impeached and then burned on a stake in Crawford, and AG is not violent by nature.
I couldn't believe when Bartlett said, "this war started almost 5 yrs. ago".....once again trying to equate 9/11 with the war in Iraq...
This administration has no shame, no scruples, no brains, and no credibility....
yes, impeachment and prison is justifiable...
I want their assets seized and returned to the People.There's ALOT of stolen money involved in this,not just the 8 billion or so"missing"in Iraq.So put 'em in jail,and take every damned dime they've got.
At this point impeachment is just a slap on the wrist.Hard time in a federal supermax prison sends a message to the rest of the lot of warmongering genocidal maniacs.It also sends a message to the rest of the world.And maybe,just maybe with the cabal sitting in prison cells,the rest of the world would hate us just a tad less than they do now.
"I want the bastards in prison, and I want them there for the rest of their lives. By the way, that would still give them a longer life than most of our dead soldiers were allowed."
Some things bear repeating! Well stated, PoP. I agree that imprisonment for war crimes and other miscellaneous felonies is in order. Bush thinks that history will judge him kindly, in about 30 or 40 years. I think Americans and the rest of the world will have a much longer memory than that.
BTW, Stella sends you a big sloppy kiss! =)
Storm the Congress!!! Pull the purse strings! Redeploy the troops! End the madness!!! Impeach!!!!!!!!
I don't want them in prison, I want them off of my planet period. Give them all a gun and a one way plane ride to Iraq.
"desperate mindless drivel"
ah, now that's a phrase i can repeat in the canteen here at work whenever i please. it's not obscene, it's not offensive (except to those who blindly follow Dear Leader), and it's perfectly clear - the consonants work nicely, too. sweet!
Impeach, Frogmarch, Imprison, Lockdown for life, Continued re-runs of Thirty Something, 24 hour non stop background playing of Barbara Streisand that they hate some much-with the occassional mix of Roseanne Barr's version of The National Anthem and the monthly weekend marathon of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Did I miss anything?
PoP,
I'm glad to see you don't have strong feelings about this. BTW, I second that emotion. Listening to the logical fallacies in Dumya's speeches is even more entertaining than listening to him mangle the language. I hope that logic classes across the nation are using his speeches as demonstations of violations of the rules of logic.
brotherc - good to see you've re-emerged. When you're done visiting PoP, come over to Craig's and visit (Dad's on a business trip, so us kids are having a party).
Impeach and Imprison....although some of the other ideas here are definent Plan B's....I am tired of the LIES..esp the "IT ALL STARTED 911"..... We should make them clean up the lower ninth with a hand shovel, and then send ALL of them to Gitmo...
And yeah, the Trouble will follow us Home? hmm, seems to me that Katrina was Such a disaster because we had NO Guard HERE- 400 in NOLA to do What for 1000's. 1000's died because our troops- OUR NATIONAL GUARD THAT SIGNED UP TO PROTECT OUR SHORES AND OUR PEOPLE were already Somewhere they Should not be.....
Out with the whole lot of them. Impeach, YES! But NO President Cheney. To prison for war crimes, every one of them... Dubya, Snarly, Rummy, Rice, Gonzoles, Asscroft...
I'm with you PoP. Sign the International Criminal Court treaty...remove protections for previous offenders and open up a special prison just for these jerks (and Henry Kissinger if he's still alive).
"We're fighting them there so we won't fight them in America?" How many more 'enemies' have been created in Iraq, Pakistan, Lebanon and more through this misguided 'war on terror'? What a squandering of international sympathy and support after 2001. What a squadering of wealth on a lost/wrong cause. What arrogance. What criminals.
Okay, I'm going to pick a tomato in the garden and calm down now... it's too early for a martini.
Hey PoP,
Another good question in addition to the one you pose is thus: Do you really need or want help from the Democrats to get us out of the Iraq you put us in?
P.S. I have a question for you regarding guest posting at BIO. Send me an email and we can chat about it off line...I tried to find your email address, but like my own page, you don't list one. I'm at windspike at yahoo dot com.
It id difficult for me to believe that people actually still listen too and adhere to his mindless drivel.
PS. I'm linking up to this post.
Blog on sister. Blog on all.
I am linking to this post, Hope you don't mind, you said it all exactly as I would like to, lol saved me a lot of work ;o) have a great 3 day weekend !
The logic of the Bushies is: Be afraid, be very afraid! Then, vote for us because we know how to use pre-emptive strikes against our "fascist, communist, and terrorist" enemies. Impeachment isn't the solution when all the next in line characters are of the same ilk or worse. Have a new Congress that will approve the International Criminal Court and on January 20th, arrest these guys for crimes against humanity and then put them on trial and imprison them.
I think we should take a lesson from this inability to have a one-party system work with accountability and amend the Constitution to a parliamentary system so there can be more accountability by the people over their elected officials.
I love it, PoP, when you tell truth to power.
Ditto to what's already been said here. I just hope this same anger is reflected at the voting booth in the next election.
POP: I guess you'll never be happy then...
EPROF: We should have a one party system...Republican
Blueberry: Then who do you suggest be President
To all: not one rational thought...
I also think impeachment is not enough, yet we can't even do that.
Clinton was impeached for a BJ, but we can't impeach this murderer!!
A large majority of the public has been against this war and this President for a long time now, yet there seems to be some kind of fear to remove this guy from office.
Impeachment would be good for the country and a sign to future leaders who have egotistical goals of self-importance.
What are we afraid of?
Using our legal process against our top leaders?
It seems we are too willing to let off the rich, famous, celeberties, CEO's, politicians, and the most powerfull in our society.
What kind of message does that send to our children and the rest of the world?
I've got an idea (inspired by "V" for Vendetta):
Don a mask of your favorite American Patriot. Hop on a bus, plane, car, bike, walk, whatever, to the Washington DC Mall. Then we converge on the White House, millions of us, and demand the impeachment of Bush and immediate arrest of these war criminals.
Ah, to dream the impossible dream...
I'm with jm, we need to make sure people use this anger to vote in November. Nothing else will have any hope of being done until Democrats control at least one house of Congress.
I agree whole heartedly...but you know they won't get any prison time...now that would surprise me into a heart attack if they did. It's a strange world we live in these days...the wrong people are getting the accolades while the trully heroic go unacknowledged. I watch the news while I blog...and just now a mother was totally surprised when her soldier son came up the driveway and took her into his arms. I'm blubbering right now. He's been Iraq for 8 months, here's hoping he'll stay home and one more mother won't have to cry and receive a folded flag. I hope that is never me receiving a folded flag...I will be on the 6:00 o'clock news if it does.
The minute they admit failure in Iraq, the harder it will be to sell the people on Iran.
POP, Let me preface my remarks by telling you I opposed the war, participated in the candlelight vigils, and attempted to get local municipalities to adopt resolutions opposing military intervention. I did a radio show for two weeks about this war and was practically tarred and feathered because everyone was bloodthirsty back then.
When it became evident that Bush had signed off on what essentially amounts to torture, I was enraged. When I heard him say, "Bring it on," I was similarly furious. When I listened to Rummy disparage France and Germany as "old" Europed, I couldn't believe the arrogance. When they provided justification after justification, I knew this country was in serious trouble. They are war criminals.
Clinton was impeached for getting a BJ but Bush has screwed the entire country. Of course he should be impeached. But that won't happen until Congress changes.
Having said all of that, I'm not crazy about us pulling out just like that. We would be inviting even more violence and death against Iraquis. Syria and Iran would try to step in. The middle east would become even more of a tinder box than it is now.
We broke it. We do have to fix it. I don't like the idea of permanent military bases and don't want to be there one second longer than necessary, but want the region to be at least as stable as it was before we stuck our nose where it doesn't belong.
POP, Let me preface my remarks by telling you I opposed the war, participated in the candlelight vigils, and attempted to get local municipalities to adopt resolutions opposing military intervention. I did a radio show for two weeks about this war and was practically tarred and feathered because everyone was bloodthirsty back then.
When it became evident that Bush had signed off on what essentially amounts to torture, I was enraged. When I heard him say, "Bring it on," I was similarly furious. When I listened to Rummy disparage France and Germany as "old" Europed, I couldn't believe the arrogance. When they provided justification after justification, I knew this country was in serious trouble. They are war criminals.
Clinton was impeached for getting a BJ but Bush has screwed the entire country. Of course he should be impeached. But that won't happen until Congress changes.
Having said all of that, I'm not crazy about us pulling out just like that. We would be inviting even more violence and death against Iraquis. Syria and Iran would try to step in. The middle east would become even more of a tinder box than it is now.
We broke it. We do have to fix it. I don't like the idea of permanent military bases and don't want to be there one second longer than necessary, but want the region to be at least as stable as it was before we stuck our nose where it doesn't belong.
What is the Democrat plan for pulling our bacon out of the fire, Mr. Bartlett? Geez.
And all hell came down on Clinton for his indiscretion which resulted in no loss of life. WTF, PoP?
Good post.
Bernie, I have to disagree with you. We can't fix it because our presence there is part of the problem. Agreed, we can't leave "just like that." But we could be replaced by a major UN peacekeeping force - soldiers who aren't regarded as invaders and occupiers. It may be a slim chance for peace. But with us there, there's no chance.
jublue - No loss of life, you say? What about all those sperm cells on that blue dress? Potential humans, all. ;-)
Good post. Good blog. Great contributors.
Laugh.Or....
Else.
The WordVerification is NSLYBJ. Man, I don't even have to translate that one!
By removing Uncle Saddam, power vacuum was created and the ones that were supposed to take care of the law and order in Iraq, the American Armed Forces, were not able to do so. Three plus years later situation is arguably getting worse which leaves me with a burning question: why would Bernie O'Hare like them to stay the course. This frigging mess needs to be solved and to do so, unfortunately, has to be done the hard way by the Iraqis. Can you spell - CIVIL WAR. This looney gang of the war mongers in the White House sure screwed the poor Iraqis but good. However, since the blind justice is another myth, there is a snow balls chance that any of these crooks will see inside of a prison cell.
Typical "Lead by Fear" agenda I'm affraid.
What an idiot, I meant -... snow ball chance in the hell...
Who should be president? I believe the line of succession after Cheney is Dennis Hastert. Not my favorite person, but to the best of my knowledge not a war criminal.
As for a one-party system, that's as un-American as it gets, the type of totalitarian regime that Americans have been fighting against and sacrificing their lives to prevent from taking over this country since it began.
The answers to the question you present is; the Republican plan for leaving Iraq is to win and walk away.
The democrats plan for leaving Iraq is to lose and run away.
"The Republican plan for leaving Iraq is to win and walk away."
-- Anonymous (naturally)
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the reason we're in this bloody mess and the reason we're likely to remain in it at the cost of tens of thousands of lives and untold billions of dollars.
If the Republicans can keep a sufficient number of simple-minded jackasses like this committed to their meaningless, bumpersticker slogans, they can "stay the course." We can only hope the voters who are capable of abstract thought now outnumber the dolts like Anonymous here. Time will tell.
Actually, Bernie is correct and the dribblin' Dems (as well as quite a few Repubs) DO have plans for withdrawal. The MILITARY has these plans though are divided on how to put them in place. They will take time to implement regardless, so Bartlett et al's sloganeering is as duplicitous and otherwise dishonest as anything this Admin has yet produced.
We can't leave immediately, but we need to work WITH other nations, including our cultural enemies like Syria and Iran, and our erstwhile "friends" like Saudi Arabia and the wee li'l Emirates to determine our Diplomatic Strategy whilst implementing withdrawal.
It will take until '08 at the soonest to have our forces paired down, but immediately consolidating troops in 3 main centers - small, comprehensive forces near the Turkish border (Basra? I could be way wrong on that City..) and in the South, and a larger force all around Baghdad will prevent US involvement in many of the internicene battels taking place throughut the country.
Iraqis will continue to kill each other, and pipelines will be destroyed. Where our presence is maintained though, Iraqi folk and the leaders they ELECT will have safe havens from which to plan their future whilst not swerving to avoid roadside bombs nor constantly having to shake the rafter dust outta their hair from incoming missile attacks.
VERY NICE rejoinder to DR, Blueberry. Dems have lied and few have died. Repubs don't bother lying unless it's to appease their hatred and fear, thus ending lives by the thousands. That's a gross generalization, I know. It also happens to be generally supported by the facts.
I heard on the radio that they are going to blame Bill Clinton for the destruction of the twin towers going down. It's a sad world.
hate radio star rush "i never let facts get in the way of my blowhard opinion" limbaugh has already started. they are so pathetic- it's pathetic. pop- there is a login/register box on the right side of the home page of the peace train. all you have to do is register and follow those instructions- and you are in. there is the home page and then there are various forums. you can post in any of them. you can also communicate with the other members through what appears to be some kind of email thing. i haven't figured it all out but i have posted a few times. if you aren't sure- glenda can help. she is over there all of the time. :)
I personally wish you people would grow up and act like reasonable adults.
The war YOU might want to fight is not the one the rest of us are fighting. This was didnt start in March 03, or on 9/11. it started in 1989, but we just didn't realize it.
Despite my repeated requests, no one has yet to posit a strategy for either the war in Iraq, or for the GWOT;but I sure hear alot of whining.
The peace train? How about all of you who act like 1960s hippies go to Iraq, and try to stick your daisies in the barrels of al-Qaeda AK-47s. For some reason I suspect you wouldn't return....
Robert..we aren't in charge and the assholes that ARE in charge don't have a friggin plan..those are the people you need to address your question to. Get a grip will ya? They have slogans up the wazoo and they use them to death..but there is no plan. Since they don't have a plan, we need to get the hell out. Its simple isn't it?
Even your mind should be able to grasp that.
btw PoP, I am tagging you for a meme tomorrow..fair warning..do it or not..
Prison would never work. If Bush was sentenced to prison, the next president would just turn right arond and pardon him "for the good of the country".
Eventually, you know what's going to happen. Eventually, a President will be impeached, and then tried and convicted in the Senate for "high crimes and misdemeanors". When that happens, depending on the nature of the crime, he or she should be hung by the neck until dead.
That would be one sure way to show the world that America is serious about holding it's elected officials accountable. Even more importantly, it would be one sure way to show our elected officials that we hold our elected officials accountable.
It's not going to happen in Bush's case though, not unless this coming election sees the Democrats taking over the House and also the Senate, to the tune of 67-at least-Democratic Senators.
It will be a cold day in hell before the modern Democratic Party elects that many Senators, or has that many at one time.
Dear Robert, what does it take to get your head screwed straight? May I suggest to you to take a look at your Atlas! Find a country that is called Afghanistan, you remember the one where Osamma and the rest of the gang were running to but, according your illustrious leader, Junior, couldn't hide. There is a great chance that they are still there and sending us video greetings to remain us that in a confusion your Adminstration got the countries mixed up. Hehe, what a silly little mistake but what a hell since you are in Iraq, might as well do some good old but kicking there. Right, Robert?
Yes, impeachment is entirely justified, but will never get started in a Republican Congress. Job #1, elect Democrats this November.
And there is another reason to. Think of Junior going into his last two years with the American army as his plaything. Do you think it impossible he won't start another war (it is rumored that Iran is in his sights). I don't. With a Republican Congress, there would be no brake on that idea. With Democrats, its still a nail-biting two years, but with leaders like John Murtha in the majority, he'd have a tougher time.
Hey robert,
Sign up and go buddy. Enlist NOW.
Been there and done that Sue. Marine, combat, the whole nine yards. Have spent a significant percentage of my life in the desert and in the region. My daughter is 16 and looking at ROTC for college. She has my 100% support if that is what she chooses to do.
Impeachment won't happen;it is a bone to throw to the rabid left wing, anti-war crowd. It has to be illegal to have a crime. So is this nonsense about Iran. What isn't a rumor is that Iran is defying the world and eveloping nuclear weapons. I guess that is ok with you?
Robert, you old warrior, may I respectfully suggest the following!
I am not for nutty nations based on any religious dogmas, may they be there in the North America or elsewhere. Gods should be strictly limited outside the centres of power and politics everywhere.
However, what should be clear to even the most ardent cheer-leaders of this group of the neo-cons is, that their motives should be questioned vigorously based on their dismal track record. They were hell bent to achieve their "peace and democracy" mission in Iraq and they seem to be going at it with Iran now. The "facts" so far presented by the Bushies are full of holes (aren't they always) and adding no urgency to star driving your Hummers to Iran. Wake up George! Join the world in clipping the wings off from these carrion-devouring and fascist birds so you can start concentrating in taking care of your real and existent security and any other kind of problems! There are a lot of those, I assure you.
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