Are We Safer or is it a Reminder that We Aren’t?
"Weeks before September 11th, this is going to play big," said another White House official, who also spoke on condition of not being named, adding that some Democratic candidates won't "look as appealing" under the circumstances.”
According to this article the bush administration believes it will gain politically from the foiled terrorist plots in England yesterday. Maybe they might want to rethink that, as it also seems to be a glowing reminder that five years after 9-11 al Qaeda and Bin Laden are still alive and well and doing business.
According to this article the bush administration believes it will gain politically from the foiled terrorist plots in England yesterday. Maybe they might want to rethink that, as it also seems to be a glowing reminder that five years after 9-11 al Qaeda and Bin Laden are still alive and well and doing business.
posted by pissed off patricia at 4:17 AM
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It certainly reinforces the fact that going to Iraq to get the "terrorists" was a total waste of lives and money.
I was reading an article that appeared on my Yahoo page as I was checking an e-mail account I have over there. I am glad that the government thwarted an attempt to blow up aircraft. Good job. A job well done to say the least.
This quote I took from the article I found to be quite interesting. A neighbor of one of the Britons is interviewed. Here is the full article:
http://
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_re_eu/britain_terror_plot
Down near the end of the story, this is what the person being interviewed says about the suspect involved in this terrorist plot:
"He converted to Islam about six months ago and grew a full beard," said a neighbor, who refused to be identified. "He used to smoke weed and drink a lot but he is completely different now."
Now this, to me, means that since he is “different” now, than he used to be when he drank and smoked dope, and the difference being he is a suspected terrorist and a Muslim now, that would mean when a person smokes pot and drinks a lot he is less of a threat to humanity than a terrorist. At least in this neighbors opinion.
Funny thing is, when I drank heavily and smoked herb, that’s when I had a beard. I shaved it off in 1986. Beards and letting your hair grow used to be the bellweather of the potheads. Drunks came bearded and shaven generally. I seem to remember all of us as having beards when we were potheads.
Just an observation that I thought funny.
In the meantime, I believe a thinking person won’t let one story that shows a positive about this administration change his or her overall assessment of the performance record. Personally, I give kudos to the people doing their job and having success in doing so.
I am constantly flummoxed by those who refuse to give this subject serious study.
If you just look and see tha a terrorist plot was in progress, and refuse to follow the thought process to evaluae the actual plot, then you reach the conclusion that Mary just did.
Al-Queda operates as an umbrella organization. They finance and plan the operatons of many groups that are not strictly al-queda. A simple analogy is the National Football League. The NFL itself is compsed of a number of teams, but the "home office" is not a team itself. However, it finances the teams though marketing and establishin rules. Al-Queda is much like this.
The latest round of terror attacks (Madrid in 04, London twice in 05) were not well financed and were not conducted by anyone from a traditionally Islamic country. They were Muslim citizens of the country that was victim of the attacks.
Bin Laden, other than his status as uncaptured, isa nonfactor in the current terrorist affairs. He is not planning any operations, and all he can do is tape videos, couriered by a goatherder, delivered to Al-Jazeera, and broadcast weeks after they are made.
Al-Queda is alive and well. But their "home office" as it existed on 9/11 is no more. This is why there is a greater war on terror than just against al-queda. It is a war against the philosophy of violence and racism.
These guys are real patriots. All they can see from the pain and danger faced by Americans and others because of their incompetence is a chance for politcal gain. Time for a radical change.
I am always insulted when Dubya says that ANY of us have forgotten 9/11.
I'd like to think that most people will see this through the fog of misdirection that the administration continues to disseminate. But there are far too many people who still believe that the war in Iraq is about terrorism, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
The timing of this is very suspect; and yes, it will play big at the polls in November. I've been saying for the last five years that there would be a major terrorist action prior to the Nov. 2006 election, and again before the next Presidential election - an excuse to declare martial law.
I'm with Sue Woo on this - when Bush plays the 9/11 card, it makes me sick to my stomach, because I believe his crew participated in it happening. How dare they?
i guess i am wondering why folks think that they can have it both ways. one press conference we are winning the war on terror- and we have al quaeda on the ropes. they are decimated and not as much of the pre- 9/11 threat. then- before any big political hoo hah- all of a sudden they are a major player or threat again. which is it? being a crazy liberal moonbat- it's hard for me to tell. why don't they just make up a new name for the terrorists? that way there could be that many more foiled attempts. no liquids but it is still ok to take nail clippers this time.
Hopefully, and from what I have been seeing, the people of this nation are very wary of whatever Bush tells them.
Expect many more terror alerts between now and November. I recently read that they are going to put a fence around Independence Hall to deter an imagined terror threat. This is another sign of restricting our freedom by making it harder access to a place where we go to celebrate it.You can't physically defend every possible target. The Brits have shown that the best way to defeat the threat is good intelligence and old fashion police work. Not building walls and invading other countries.
Oh I'm so glad they're having their moment at the white house...
thats right guys break out the bottles of champagne you were bound to fall upon something good and get lucky.
Like a broken clock they're right twice a day...no year...no wait isn't that five years?
And they've only stopped something once.
As sad as it sounds its dumb luck.
emphasis on dumb...
democratic candidates "won't look as appealing"...haha
The worshippers, as always, refuse to take into consideration that this latest plot seems to give the lie to all that "safer" talk. Nor, I am sure, will they go back to 2004 and look at how often the "tur" monster was trotted out-till after November.
Worshippers make the Chimperor's "job" one of no work at all. Just hand out the talking points and go back to the ranch...
If you just look and see that a terrorist plot was in progress, and refuse to follow the thought process to evaluate the actual plot, then you reach the conclusion that Mary just did.
Lets evaluate that plot. 911 - most of the terrorists were Saudis, not a single Iraqi in the bunch. Most of the funding came from Saudi Arabia and our other wealthy Arab allies. Any Iraqi funding of these groups was negligible.
810 (that's yesterday) - most of the terrorists are British citizens of Pakistani descent, dissafected Muslims radicalized by visits and connections to Pakistan, another so called ally. I wouldn't be surprised if the funding trail didn't lead back to the Saudis.
In neither of these events, or the ones in Madrid, London and India, does Iraq seem to play any roll at all. Yet we've spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives fighting our enemy where it does not live (at least not until we moved there and said "Bring it on!") How is it possibly winning the war on terror to invade an uninvolved nation and allow the Sheiks of Saudi Arabia to continue to fund the terrorists and the madrassahs of Pakistan to continue to teach them.
I always laugh when I read some of this stuff. Yesterday was a wake up call. That the terrorists are still out there and still a threat.
Also, Iraq is the battle ground for the war on terror because the Islamic Fascist (sp) AL quaida tell us so. If you ever listen to them talk they say that Iraq is part of the war on terror.
Bush is right many people have forgotten about 9/11. I see it at our nations check point every day. Why do you have to search me, I am not a threat.
goon,
You're a moron following a moron guided by the evil. There is no war against terror - it is nothing more than an advertising slogan for Bushco - there is no identifiable enemy and no measure for when victory can be claimed (except today, when the government can claim victory over travelers carrying toothppate and bottled water onboard aircraft). Iraq is the "front line in the War on Terror" only becasue Dumya declared it to be so that he could establish his legacy as a wartime preznit and get back at Saddam for trying to kill Poppy. You can't produce a single fact that Islamic fascists or any other terrorists are capable of conducting anything more than symbolic attacks against the US or any other western countries that would be any threat to "our way of life." Moreover, no Iraqi has ever been implicated in any terrorist atack against the US or US interests. Iraq aside, the most successful attack against American interests was the 9/11 attack, and as horrific as it was, it did not even shut down the stock market for more than a couple of days. Join hands with Robert, get a grip and take another swig from the Bushco koolaid cup.
What I find disgusting is the way this is being played up as another 9/11, another terrorist attack, when in fact it was nothing more than something in the planning stages. It's the timing I find so curious. Right when Lieberman's loss stands as a referendum on Iraq, the right brings out the whole "the terrorist boogeyman's gonna get you if you don't let us continue our ethnic cleansing in Iraq", then wham! we get this story. The investigation had been going on for eighteen months, why did they wait until yesterday to start seizing everyone's liquids?
I also agree with divajood, there is likely to be more of this before the election so the Bush administration and the corporate media can say "look at the good job we're doing of protecting you".
The liquid ban will last for at least another 2 1/2 months - too bad if you need drops for your eyes while on a transatlantic flight- just wear glasses, and forget about using saline to hydrate your nasal passages to ease reaction to the dry air in the plane. This will be as effective as taking yor nail clippers was - hey, no one brought down an airliner with nail clippers after the post 9/11 precautions wreput in place - of course they never did before, either. Helluvajob.
Once again, your insight trumps their egomaniacal stupidity.
Folks are sick of them, so lets hope the Dems who gain power this fall can do something sane with it!!
I'm only hoping for a little sanity from them. Every li'l bit helps.
Remember the Rep's slogan from now until election day: "Be afraid, be really, really afraid, and vote Republican -- we'll protect you."
Does make you wonder if there might be a bit of dog wagging going on...
This is the only link you will ever need, regarding 911:
www.st911.org
Then, if you feel so inclined, come see me at my office:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/911PostingArmy/
What am I talking about: World trade centre building 7 (watch the video and ask yourself, how can a building, not hit by anything, fall at free-fall, 0.89 sec slower than if it was in a vacuum):
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7_collapse.mpg
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg
The answer my friends, is controlled demolition . . .
yup...just love it when guntoting-kiss-bushs-ass-wannbees go about spouting I ain't afraid but I am rehetoric...what a load...
The bottem line is that everytime Bush goes on vaction( same as Poodle's Kenneltime) Something Seems to be Cooked up...Like a Wagging Dog...So here I sit waiting for Kirsten Dunst to come running across the screen carrying Doritos....up and yet another Wag the Dog moment- and there will be a Bigger Dog before November- cause you know - to feel "safer" is all the repugs can falsely promise...
The politics of terrorism are far more valuable to the Bush Administation than is stopping terrorism. Stop and think a moment. If they did stop it......cite one thing they could claim as an accomplishment?
That was insightful...
Assuming this was a real terrorist plot and not another trumped up bag of bullcrap, the most note-worthy fact is that it was foiled by law enforcement efforts and diplomatic cooperation. No countries were invaded. No bombs were dropped.
Why Bush would get a shred of credit for it, I can't imagine. His staggeringly incompetent handling of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, not to mention his tragically inept handling of foreign affairs, have made defeating actual threats more difficult by far.
Sick for them to try to get something out of this. Especially when it was not Bushco that got the job done!! But make no mistake about it, it will become the new talking point for them. I bet it will make it into Rummy's talking points manuel.
I think it demonstrates that while we're supposedly "fighting terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to fight them at home" there are many others elsewhere just as dangerous if not more.
Bottom line is that the worst terrorist attack in America happened when the Republicans were in charge of our government, and our nation's security.
Big Dave T, you said that so well. Hubby and I were talking last night and he said if they continue to market terror, soon, even the most uninformed will detect they are being played, and people don't like that. So, if busting up terror plots doesn't improve the poll numbers that Bush never watches, what will? Will failing to bust up a terror plot improve numbers?
Another thing that gets my goat is if they caught the players in this plot, why does everyone have to throw out their gels and shampoos and bottled water? Are we still in danger, or is this "participatory" technique a way to ensure the public doesn't forget the threat? Make everyone get affected so they won't forget?
Another thing is why are some just now joining Islam? Suddenly, disenfranchised folks want to switch religions and give up their ways to do what? For what purpose? How dangerous were these would-be terrorists? Were they really carefully planning to down a bunch of planes or were they just a group of weird unhappy dudes lacking the wherewithall to accomplish any type of attack?
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