Thursday, June 05, 2008

What Happened?

If you believe there was a problem in Senator Clinton’s campaign, what was it?

Some say an Obama/Clinton ticket would be the dream ticket, others say it would be a nightmare ticket. What would be your dream ticket?


Blogger Fixer said...

Hil's problem: Taking us all for granted.

Hil as VP? Not on your life. As Prez, fine, but somehow I picture her an Bill scheming their own agenda regardless of what Barack wants.

June 05, 2008 2:23 AM  
Blogger fallenmonk said...

I agree with Jimmy Carter that HRC as VP would be a disaster. I am rooting for an Obama/Edwards ticket but then again I also would like to see Edwards as attorney general.

June 05, 2008 3:52 AM  
Anonymous Joe the Troll said...

At the risk of being seen as a blogwhore, there are too many issues with Hillary's campaign to just do a one-off, so I refer you to my post on the subject.

As for VP, I don't have any names handy, but if Obama picks someone who is strong on national defense, he can counter McCain's only (supposedly) strong point.

June 05, 2008 4:14 AM  
Blogger Jim Yeager said...

There were several problems with Clinton's campaign, the most obvious being that she acted as if she was entitled to the presidency, when no one is. Some of her other problems were: her camp had no visible game plan after Super Tuesday; after Obama fared unexpectedly well on Super Tuesday, Clinton started adopting the worst tactics of Karl Rove and Lee Atwater to preserve her candidacy; she actually sat down and made nice with Richard Mellon Scaife, of all right-wing assholes, as if she'd forgotten who the biggest financier of what she herself coined the vast right-wing conspiracy against her husband while he was President was (boy, did that tick a lot of people off); Mark Penn (enough said); and personally, I fail to see how someone whose campaign goes into debt after the damn thing's raised over $100 million can fix a tanking economy and deal with a multi-trillion dollar deficit.

As for an Obama-Clinton ticket, I'd rather not see that, though having Hillary somewhere in his Cabinet might be something Obama should ponder. If nothing else, she knows how to fight against all odds and end up with a real good showing for her efforts. She could take another stab at making national health care a reality, and this time she'd probably have a better chance of pulling it off. I hope Obama doesn't outright kick her to the curb -- that'll hurt him...

June 05, 2008 4:46 AM  
Blogger SB Gypsy said...

I'm hoping Clinton leads from the Senate. I'd like to see Edwards as VP, but I'm not very hopeful of that coming about.

I'm just praying there's no emergency - real or fabricated - that gives Cheney the excuse to turn these United States into a dictatorship.

June 05, 2008 5:09 AM  
Blogger FranIAm said...

I think that Jim Webb would be a great VP and bring experience to the table that Obama would benefit from.

His military background could be a factor in how this stacks up against McCain and he uses his military background for good in general and not evil.

Kathleen Sibelius has been discussed and I like her, but I am not sure that she can help him gain the White House.

Edwards would be great but I do not see that one happening - AG would a perfect spot for him.

Hillary - no. Not. At. All.

June 05, 2008 5:19 AM  
Blogger Sherry said...

i'm not sure but i wouldn't pick clinton. she and bill are too strong and i have a feeling there would be so much in fighting that noting would get done.

June 05, 2008 5:27 AM  
Blogger Jersey Guy said...

I don't think that there are any "dream" tickets. But I think that Obama/Wesley Clark would be a formidable ticket. If I were Obama, I definitely wouldn't want Billary breathing down my neck. The biggest single mistake from the Clinton campaign was that it included both of them.


June 05, 2008 6:06 AM  
Blogger robin andrea said...

I agree with Jim Yeager's assessment of Hillary's problems. When she said, one day in that very fake and rehearsed voice, "Shame on you Barack Obama..." I knew how false and insincere she was. She lacked authenticity and made up for that with bad decisions.

I don't have a name for the dream ticket, only a hope that it wins big.

June 05, 2008 7:24 AM  
Anonymous Matt said...

My thoughts, have HRC be in charge of Health Care. You know she would get it done and allows her to throw herself into something she believes in.

Edwards as AG as everyone has said.

Sibelius scares me. Not for her record but because I'm afraid of what HRC would do if he picked a women that wasn't her.

I like Wes Clark because it counters the GOP argument about his lack of foriegn policy/military experience.

And just to be a radical thinker I'm going to throw Colin Powell into the mix. I know he said he was done with government service but can you imagine?

Just my thoughts.


June 05, 2008 7:30 AM  
Blogger The Minstrel Boy said...

wes clark, janet napolitano, sebelius, would all be good choices in my book.

i think one of the reasons clinton lost was that, along with the mistakes jim outlined so well, people were just tired of presidents who are named bush/clinton. it really is time for a change.

for veep, i will support enthusiasticly any choice made by obama and his team. they've been mostly calling the right shots so far.

June 05, 2008 8:24 AM  
Blogger dguzman said...

I think a big problem early on was that Hillary's team allowed the media to crown her as the nominee without ANY evidence that the public wanted her. (I think she started to believe the hype too.) Then, when she didn't do as well as the media claimed she would, the media turned on her like the rabid dogs they are and tore her to shreds. Who could recover from that?

Ooh--Wesley Clark as VP. Lovin' that! John Edwards as ANYTHING. The guy belongs there, making changes. And Hillary as Health/Human Welfare Sec would get shit done.

June 05, 2008 9:06 AM  
Blogger JM said...

It's tough to keep this a short list, since there were so many ways her campaign was flawed. To echo what Jim said, substituting a sense of entitlement for the job in lieu of a strategic vision of what her candidacy represented is a good place to start. Then you layer in the pandering, her faulty recollection on Bosnia, her cynically political decision to support Bush's flawed war so she wouldn't appear weak, and her "kitchen-sink" strategy of saying or doing anything to win and I think you've got enough reasons to doom her campaign.

Her claims of "ready to lead from day one" rang hollow, since she lacked the ability to assemble an effective team to organize and run a campaign, so could we expect her to do better when elevated to the nations' highest office? Positioning herself as "Bush-lite" when the opposing candidate offered the opportunity for change wasn't the best idea since the electorate clearly wants to close the book on this sorry chapter in American history.

And putting her on the ticket as VP surely defines a nightmare. I'm thinking Richardson, myself.

June 05, 2008 9:23 AM  
Blogger Dean Wormer said...

My take is that she didn't win the presidency exactly because she's been running for the presidency since she decided to run for the Senate seat in New York.

That means decisions she's made have been predicated towards how they'd play in presidential politics.

If instead she'd LED. If she'd been more of the mold of Russ Feingold in his fight against this administration she'd be our nominee right now.

June 05, 2008 10:21 AM  
Anonymous scott said...

I am prepared to cut her some slack except for the “under fire in Bosnia episode” which I still can’t fathom.

As one radio commentator put it, “Clinton was on a job interview while Obama was on a date.” I think she felt (correctly) that she had to demonstrate that she was smart enough, tough enough, maybe man enough to be president (a war-time candidate.) It’s not fair, but we give men the benefit of the doubt when it comes to testosterone. We may appreciate competence, but we’re not usually inspired by it.

Obama had the luxury of being the fresh-faced, eloquent, two-toned, multicultural American of Tomorrow. Don’t get me wrong. I disparately want him to be the next president, but he was able to indulge in vision and hope and democratic idealism while Clinton had to play Butchy.

I don’t think she would help the ticket as VP and I can’t see her in the Cabinet; at least not in the first term. Another commentator suggested Supreme Court Justice and I like that idea.

I know Clinton is damaged goods to a lot of the MM crowd and I was never high on her myself. But I would be a good deal more relaxed about the general election if she were the candidate. I hope my concerns about race are over blown.

June 05, 2008 1:12 PM  
Blogger TaraDharma said...

Her campaign started well, and then she started stupid politics tricks. She did have a sense of entitlement to the office, but then again, maybe it was just conviction and confidence.

I would not be happy if she were VP on the ticket -- she dilutes Obama's message and I think the power struggle between them would be awful. I'd like to see John Edwards, frankly. I can see him being deferential to the President, and his creditials are good with women and working class.

June 05, 2008 2:18 PM  
Anonymous scott said...

Goddamn spellcheck!

June 05, 2008 2:27 PM  
Blogger Frederick said...

Stratergery, plain and simple. It scares me that she could have won...if only she hadn't done what's in her nature and take things for granted. Her sense of inevitableness did her in.

Count every vote my ass.

June 05, 2008 2:40 PM  
Blogger an average patriot said...

I would like to see an Obama Edwards ticket! if Hillary doesn't purposely gum up the works Obama ought to be able to placate her with a position and Edwards would draw with her, her and his supporters that Obama wouldn't.

June 05, 2008 3:27 PM  
Anonymous abi said...

The problem with Hillary Clinton's campaign was Hillary Clinton.

June 05, 2008 4:44 PM  
Blogger Mike said...

I just can't see Obama adding Hillary to the ticket. I mean with Hill, you get Bill. I just wouldn't want to deal with that.

Considering that Edwards was my choice from the get-go, I'd love to see an Obama/Edwards ticket.

June 05, 2008 7:56 PM  
Blogger Sparky Duck said...

Simple. Mark Penn was an idiot.

Edwards, Rendell, Webb would all work for me

June 05, 2008 8:29 PM  
Blogger ZILLA said...

Projecting an air of entitlement is ... ungood. But, frankly, I just can't trust her.

Obama Edwards sounds sweet to me, but I hear Edwards doesn't want the job.

I wish Edwards would want the job.

June 05, 2008 10:11 PM  
Blogger fairlane said...

Hillary needs to retire to the Pasture, as do all members of the Clinton Clan.

June 06, 2008 8:22 AM  
Blogger T&A said...

Obama/Webb or Obama/Clark. Either one would shore up Obama's foreign policy and national defense credentials. Something to balance out McInsane's so called expertise.

June 06, 2008 10:39 AM  
Blogger Targa said...

My dream ticket would be:

4 6 18 19 32 46

Texas Lotto.

June 06, 2008 12:08 PM  
Blogger Swinebread said...

My dream ticket is the one that makes sure the dems win the white house

June 10, 2008 7:28 AM  

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